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Ghost Prince of Cardolan
Join Date: Mar 2007
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This entire line of excuse - that JRRT was thrust into this terrible tight spot where he had to swallow hard, grit his teeth and give up his beloved baby to an evil government is a bit much. |
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Loremaster of Annúminas
Join Date: Oct 2006
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The entire plot of The Lord of the Rings could be said to turn on what Sauron didn’t know, and when he didn’t know it. |
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Curmudgeonly Wordwraith
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Ensconced in curmudgeonly pursuits
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Let me tell you how it will be There's one for you, nineteen for me 'Cause I'm the taxman Yeah, I'm the taxman Should five percent appear too small Be thankful I don't take it all 'Cause I'm the taxman Yeah, I'm the taxman (If you drive a car) I'll tax the street (If you try to sit) I'll tax your seat (If you get too cold) I'll tax the heat (If you take a walk) I'll tax your feet Taxman! 'Cause I'm the taxman Yeah, I'm the taxman Don't ask me what I want it for (Tax man, Mr. Wilson) If you don't want to pay some more (Tax man, Mr. Heath) 'Cause I'm the taxman Yeah, I'm the taxman Now my advice for those who die (Taxman!) Declare the pennies on your eyes (Taxman!) 'Cause I'm the taxman Yeah, I'm the taxman And you're working for no one, but me (Taxman!)
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Ghost Prince of Cardolan
Join Date: Mar 2007
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I did not think we were debating the merits of high tax versus low tax. In fact, I thought there was a strict policy here of NOT discussing political issues and keeping it on point of Tolkien and his creations. I am not a British citizen and have no opinion on their tax system, its history or its application and impact. All I know, and what I have stated, is that every citizen has to pay their taxes just like any other expense.
There is a obvious undercurrent here in some posts which more or less go like this: The evil , terrible, opressive government used their coercive state powers to force kindly, old JRRT into a no-win spot putting a gun to his head forcing him to unwillingly sell film rights to a bunch of satanic pirates who then destroyed the heart and soul of his work making movies we now hate. Its really a bit silly. |
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Loremaster of Annúminas
Join Date: Oct 2006
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The entire plot of The Lord of the Rings could be said to turn on what Sauron didn’t know, and when he didn’t know it. |
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Pilgrim Soul
Join Date: May 2004
Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle...
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Stating historical fact is not political ... I very much doubt that referring to forty year old fiscal legislation will get me banned but you are welcome to try. Just don't pin some secret agenda from your own imagination on me.
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Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace Last edited by Mithalwen; 06-04-2008 at 06:30 AM. |
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Ghost Prince of Cardolan
Join Date: Mar 2007
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Mith - you do tend to overstate the point.
Trying to get you banned? Invited to try? Absurd. I am simply sick and tired of every once in a while voicing an opinion on some currents events topic and then I get the obligitory slap on the wrist message or post from a moderator saying in no uncertain terms that such discussion is not welcome here and take it elsewhere. If I did bother to take a day or two and educate myself to the history, advantages and disadvantages of the British tax system and then posted factual information to rebutt what you or others posted, there would follow a stern posting from a moderator saying this is not the place for it. So what would be the point of that? But a discussion about film rights becomes a cause for the anti-government crowd to bash taxation policy. That is not the issue and never has been the issue. Was this British tax law passed with JRRTolkien as its only target or was this a law which applied to the entire populace of Great Britain who earned those levels of income? Thats all I need to know. I am not making judgments about how Tolkien spent his money. It was his to spend how he wanted. WCH mentioned his purchase of a more expensive house at the time he owed the tax. Carpenter, in his biography of JRRT, states that Edith wanted a better place to be with people of the class she believed she had attained. Again, there is a clear undercurrent at work here. People who hate the movies for their own reasons seem to cringe when they are reminded that JRRT freely sold those rights without any artistic control of his own over how they were used. Tolkien was a willingly participant in allowing anyone with that license to make whatever changes to his work they so wanted to make. He knew that when he signed the contract and cashed the check. But now, its because something of a minor cause here to puff out your Purist chest and flail away at the films and cry to the heavens that poor old JRRT was literally forced to sell those rights by the mean old government and it really is not his fault for doing so. The poor old man was mugged in the alleyway. Gimmeabreak. Last edited by Sauron the White; 06-04-2008 at 08:02 AM. |
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Haunting Spirit
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Out West near a Big Salty Lake
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Tolkien Lawsuit Going to Trial
Over at theonering.net it is reported that one or both of the parties refused to agree to the court's request to continue the case management on June 27th. Here is the link and the quote. Just so you know based on the posters previous posts I believe that they are a lawyer but not out of California. They say:
"Apparently, one or both of the parties refused to agree to the court's request to continue the case management conference to June 27, the date the court wants the hearing on New Line's Demurrer and Motion to Strike (currently set for 6/24) to be held. It appears that the case management conference did occur as scheduled on Friday, June 6. The court's website now shows that a trial date has been set, for October 19, 2009. It is scheduled to be a jury trial, with a 15-20 day time estimate. The court also scheduled two more status conferences, for December 8, 2008 and October 9, 2009. I should caution that it is very common for trial dates to get continued, so there is no guarantee at all that the trial will happen then, even if the case does not settle for then. And there will be a lot more legal manuevering between now and then." Here is the court site for this case: http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civil...CaseType=Civil You'll need the case number which is BC385294
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"At any minute it is what we are and are doing, not what we plan to be and do that counts." JRR Tolkien in 6 October 1940 letter to Michael Tolkien Last edited by ArathornJax; 06-08-2008 at 09:12 PM. |
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