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William Cloud Hicklin · 05-28-2008, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Gwathagor

Now that's interesting. I'm pretty sure they were going for the Nazi searchlight look.

Well, what they got was the portrayal of the title character as a Highly Irritable Lighthouse.

Bêthberry · 05-28-2008, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by William Cloud Hicklin

Well, what they got was the portrayal of the title character as a Highly Irritable Lighthouse.

It was laughable. Sometimes a cigar is not just a cigar.

Morthoron · 05-28-2008, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by William Cloud Hicklin

Well, what they got was the portrayal of the title character as a Highly Irritable Lighthouse.

I'm wondering if its the Middle-earth version of the Grail-shaped beacon, and if so would the Mouth of Sauron be naughty Zoot or Dingo?

Eönwë · 05-28-2008, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Morthoron

I'm wondering if its the Middle-earth version of the Grail-shaped beacon, and if so would the Mouth of Sauron be naughty Zoot or Dingo?

Maybe we should carry this on in the Monty Python's "There and back again" thread.

davem · 05-28-2008, 12:30 PM

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For MGM, among those is a continuation of Bond and Pink Panther sequels, an announced remake of "Fame" and a not-yet-announced remake of "RoboCop," possibly in 3-D. "'RoboCop" would be great in 3-D, as would something we're hoping to announce soon," said Parent. This also includes "The Hobbit," which will be filmed in two parts released in 2011 and 2012, and maybe more after. "There's 80 years between the end of 'The Hobbit' and the beginning of 'The Lord of the Rings,'" said Sloan. "Think of the franchise."

http://www.indiewire.com/biz/2008/05...8_biz_d_4.html

Indeed - think of the franchise......

Sauron the White · 05-28-2008, 02:15 PM

I am all in favor of HOBBIT as a film. And I like the idea of a film based on the White Councils attack on Dol Guldur. Beyond that...... not so sure.

Here are possible ideas that could really turn it into a thriving franchise for the next forty years.

film six: ARAGORN AND ARWEN; TEEN ANGST

film seven: THOSE DARN DWARVES

film eight: DECORATING MORIA: TRADITIONAL OR CONTEMPORARY?

film nine: BROTHERS OF MINAS TIRITH

film ten: SLUMLORD - GREY HAVENS INTO CONDOS

mark12_30 · 06-01-2008, 03:25 PM

OK, going back to the "tons o Hobbit News" theme: GdT, and his attitudes, versus PJ and his. I have a question which is really about Del Toro, whom I know very little about. (I didn't knkow much about PJ before LOTR movies, either.) Here's the background:

PJ was a maestro at depicting bad guys, badder guys, and very baddest guys. We got orcs, we got ringwraiths, we got trolls and we got balrogs. (Okay one was enough.) We got watchers in the water and we got Shelob and we got a gollumy gollum which drew plenty of deserved admiration. Lots and lots of really bad bad guys. Magnifique.

But-- where are the Really Really Good Guys?

Look at the books, and there are characters which are So Good-- I mean, Soooo Verrrrry Goooood-- that you almost don't know what to do with 'em. Elrond is so good he shimmers. He's so virtuous he's untouchable. He's angelic.

Book Aragorn: annoys people because he is such a goodie two shoes.

Galadriel: when you first read the books, did you think she had any bad in her at all?

But all three of these guys got (IMO) too humanized by PJ&co. The Ubergoodness got sucked out of them. THey became The Guy Next Door and the PowerHungryQueen next door. Maybe PJ sold more tickets that way, I dunno, but it distressed me deeply. Everybody suddenly had common faults. Normal everyday run-o-the-mill faults. Movie-Elrond walked around with such a scowl that half the fans didn't like him much. Galadriel creeped out people so much that when Gollum said, "we could take them to Her-- She could do it", some folks thought that Gollum was planning on involving Galadriel. Really.

My sister watched the movies and really didn't like or enjoy Middle-Earth all that much. Then she read the books, and when she saw the Goodness in Lorien and Rivendell, she saw why I loved it so much, and said, Oh, you enjoyed the movies because you knew that there really was real goodness there-- BECAUSE YOU HAD READ THE BOOKS.

Gandalf the Grey was pretty not-bad, but Gandalf the White didn't do it for me.

The only PJ movie character that was Truly UberGood All The Time-- besides Sam-- was Arwen. And I suppose you could say Legolas.

SO there's the background: PJ was a baddie Maestro but didn't have a touch for Saints and Angels.

I'd like to think that TH and Part Two provide an opportunity to see some of that change. But do they really? Thranduil is no Eldrond. Bard... just a man. Certainly the thirteen dwarves have their roaring faults (as they are supposed to) and certainly BIlbo has faults of his own. Who, in The Hobbit, is Ubervirtuous? Where are the characters that really, really shine? Are there any? (I would say Elrond, but he seems doomed to scowl. Would that it were otherwise.)

Elves are supposed to be Good People. Though they Tra-La-La-Lally on midsummers day, and Roll-roll-roll thirteen dwarves in barrels down the sluice gate, and turnkey and butler are drunkards, still, they should shine.

Will they?

All this makes me hope for the return of Legolas and Arwen, even Mid-Hobbit.

Feanor of the Peredhil · 07-15-2008, 05:35 PM

Is it fair of me to hope, beg, and plead that del Toro just conveniently forgets that The Hobbit was essentially a musical?

I'm simply dreading a scene where thirteen dwarves break into a song and dance routine while doing Bilbo's dishes.

Sauron the White · 07-15-2008, 06:00 PM

Having seen the musical version of LOTR in Toronto, I dearly hope Del Toro does not even know what the word musical means.

06-01-2008, 03:25 PM	#7
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	OK, going back to the "tons o Hobbit News" theme: GdT, and his attitudes, versus PJ and his. I have a question which is really about Del Toro, whom I know very little about. (I didn't knkow much about PJ before LOTR movies, either.) Here's the background: PJ was a maestro at depicting bad guys, badder guys, and very baddest guys. We got orcs, we got ringwraiths, we got trolls and we got balrogs. (Okay one was enough.) We got watchers in the water and we got Shelob and we got a gollumy gollum which drew plenty of deserved admiration. Lots and lots of really bad bad guys. Magnifique. But-- where are the Really Really Good Guys? Look at the books, and there are characters which are So Good-- I mean, Soooo Verrrrry Goooood-- that you almost don't know what to do with 'em. Elrond is so good he shimmers. He's so virtuous he's untouchable. He's angelic. Book Aragorn: annoys people because he is such a goodie two shoes. Galadriel: when you first read the books, did you think she had any bad in her at all? But all three of these guys got (IMO) too humanized by PJ&co. The Ubergoodness got sucked out of them. THey became The Guy Next Door and the PowerHungryQueen next door. Maybe PJ sold more tickets that way, I dunno, but it distressed me deeply. Everybody suddenly had common faults. Normal everyday run-o-the-mill faults. Movie-Elrond walked around with such a scowl that half the fans didn't like him much. Galadriel creeped out people so much that when Gollum said, "we could take them to Her-- She could do it", some folks thought that Gollum was planning on involving Galadriel. Really. My sister watched the movies and really didn't like or enjoy Middle-Earth all that much. Then she read the books, and when she saw the Goodness in Lorien and Rivendell, she saw why I loved it so much, and said, Oh, you enjoyed the movies because you knew that there really was real goodness there-- BECAUSE YOU HAD READ THE BOOKS. Gandalf the Grey was pretty not-bad, but Gandalf the White didn't do it for me. The only PJ movie character that was Truly UberGood All The Time-- besides Sam-- was Arwen. And I suppose you could say Legolas. SO there's the background: PJ was a baddie Maestro but didn't have a touch for Saints and Angels. I'd like to think that TH and Part Two provide an opportunity to see some of that change. But do they really? Thranduil is no Eldrond. Bard... just a man. Certainly the thirteen dwarves have their roaring faults (as they are supposed to) and certainly BIlbo has faults of his own. Who, in The Hobbit, is Ubervirtuous? Where are the characters that really, really shine? Are there any? (I would say Elrond, but he seems doomed to scowl. Would that it were otherwise.) Elves are supposed to be Good People. Though they Tra-La-La-Lally on midsummers day, and Roll-roll-roll thirteen dwarves in barrels down the sluice gate, and turnkey and butler are drunkards, still, they should shine. Will they? All this makes me hope for the return of Legolas and Arwen, even Mid-Hobbit. __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

07-15-2008, 05:35 PM	#8
Feanor of the Peredhil La Belle Dame sans Merci Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: perpetual uncertainty Posts: 5,517	Is it fair of me to hope, beg, and plead that del Toro just conveniently forgets that The Hobbit was essentially a musical? I'm simply dreading a scene where thirteen dwarves break into a song and dance routine while doing Bilbo's dishes. __________________ peace

05-28-2008, 02:15 PM	#6
Sauron the White Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 903	I am all in favor of HOBBIT as a film. And I like the idea of a film based on the White Councils attack on Dol Guldur. Beyond that...... not so sure. Here are possible ideas that could really turn it into a thriving franchise for the next forty years. film six: ARAGORN AND ARWEN; TEEN ANGST film seven: THOSE DARN DWARVES film eight: DECORATING MORIA: TRADITIONAL OR CONTEMPORARY? film nine: BROTHERS OF MINAS TIRITH film ten: SLUMLORD - GREY HAVENS INTO CONDOS

07-15-2008, 06:00 PM	#9
Sauron the White Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 903	Having seen the musical version of LOTR in Toronto, I dearly hope Del Toro does not even know what the word musical means.