Dueling Wizards Werewolf II discussion thread

[Roa_Aoife]

The final decision on how many kills the wolves will have will be made later as the size of the village is known. With the village of 23 (the current situation) 4 wolves will get 2 kills / Night.

By my count, exculding Azaelia, the village size is 27. Multiple nigth kills for four or more werewolves, seems highly appropriate to keep the game from dragging out too long.

In case of a tie the one gaining the highest vote first will die (this might be subject to change as I kind of liked the test in a game sometime ago where the last one gaining the highest vote was killed).

As long as the tie is not decided at random, I'm okay with this, but I dislike the idea of the last one to reach the high vote getting lyched, for exactly the same reason the phantom likes it. It seems to me as though it makes it too easy to step in and save someone else, and removes several commonly used strategies (used primarily by wolves, but occasionally by gifted) from use. The idea is to balance the game, not limit available strategies or cut the evil team's options. However, it's not that major, and other strategies may become available with the other option, so I'm not at all strongly opposed. Just wanted to raise the point.

There will be no modfire so the villagers need to get rid of people they don’t trust themselves. (This is also subject to change if a majority has a strong view on this the other way. Then the ruling would be that two Days in a row with no votes would bring on the modfire).

I prefer modfire. The reasons why are not a secret to anyone. However, I understand that modfire in this particular game may very well unbalance it in favor of the evil team, simply because of fluid nature of Deuling Wizards.

Four wolves will get two kills / Night. Or three wolves is enough?

I think it should stay with four wolves. It means that the EW will have to be a bit more careful with her wolves than she normally would be. We eventually had three kills last game, but I don't know if you want to do that again. We do have a very large village.

If a gifted is killed during the Night and the GW's roster had been full, the one the GW scried that Night will take the role of the gifted killed immediately if she was not the EW or a wolf. The GW may override this instant transformation by notifying the mod about it but that has to happen before the Day starts.

I question this, only because it directly contradicts the nightly order of events. If the wolf kill is last on the nightly order, then the person the GW scries cannot become a gifted, because at the time the GW scries there is no open slot. The slot only opens at the very end of the night, after the scrying has taken place. So it would actually be impossible for the scried person to take the place of the gifted.

Also, if the EW or GW scries someone who is on the other team, thus causing that person to become a normal villager, is the other wizard immediately aware of the loss of their team member? They were last game, and that bit of information was vitally important for both wizards.

[Nogrod]

Because of the strong voicings there will be a modfire for anyone who does not post or vote in two Days.

As there seems to be a host of new twists in comparison to a normal WW-game we'll stick in a case of a tie to the "first one to gain the highest number of votes will die" -ruling. Also this ruling doesn't favour those voting the last (which is also timezone-related) so heavily than "the last one to gain the votes" -ruling would do.

There will be no retractable votes.

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

I think it should stay with four wolves. It means that the EW will have to be a bit more careful with her wolves than she normally would be. We eventually had three kills last game, but I don't know if you want to do that again.

That's the way it's going to be. I kind of came to the same conclusion. And even this ruling will give the EW a possibility for two kills on first actual gameNight (Night2) if the villagers will lynch an innocent on Day1.

So: When there are four wolves or more they have two kills / Night.

Originally Posted by Roa

I question this, only because it directly contradicts the nightly order of events. If the wolf kill is last on the nightly order, then the person the GW scries cannot become a gifted, because at the time the GW scries there is no open slot.

I could have broken the order of Nightly events as such as I think the main point is about the balance. But on a second thought: if the GW's scry is the first thing in any Night (alongside EW's curse) she will have a possibility to fill the empty slot for that Night anyway. So basically we seem not to need the ruling...

Originally Posted by Roa

Also, if the EW or GW scries someone who is on the other team, thus causing that person to become a normal villager, is the other wizard immediately aware of the loss of their team member? They were last game, and that bit of information was vitally important for both wizards.

Sure. I think all the possible information will be given to the wizards during the Nights as soon as they become available and the mod (submod) is awake.

[Eönwë]

Will someone adopt me- Please?

Or does anyone want to be adopted. I know there are some missing links inthe family tree. If anyone wants me as one, I'm happy to do it.

[Roa_Aoife]

Originally Posted by Eonwe

Will someone adopt me- Please?

Or does anyone want to be adopted. I know there are some missing links in the family tree. If anyone wants me as one, I'm happy to do it.

Currently, the Volos outnumber the Greenies by one. Cailin is husbandless... you could propose. Nerwen is childless. Nilp and Cailin appear to be parentless.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

Cailin is husbandless...

She's married to Eomer and I doubt she will remarry quickly after her husband dies on Night1...

Originally Posted by Roa

Nerwen is childless. Nilp and Cailin appear to be parentless

Nerwen is also single so if you wish to be an adult you could propose to her... If you wish to be a gaffer Nilp and Cailín might be happy to have a father. Or if someone from Greenie-tree would like to have yet one son more?

[Lalaith]

For what it's worth, I prefer mod-fire, unless the player involved has made his/her participation problems known on the discussion thread.
I also think players should be put on their honour not to do an xxyy.

[Cailín]

Sorry for my prolonged silence - all the family and relationship debates were a bit too overwhelming.

Durelin, I am happy to adopt you if you wish. Not sure how I feel about having given birth to twins (it seems painful and confusing to me), but it would undoubtedly be nice for Lhuna to have someone else to blame for stealing cookies and terrorising the guinea pigs. If you poison them, though, I will be forced to disown you.

And indeed, I am not husbandless, but Nilp and I do seem to be orphans.

Mod-fire, hurrah!

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Or if someone from Greenie-tree would like to have yet one son more?

Nilp and I can take him, if he wishes to be our child.

Now one rule question: is this correct:
When the GW does not have all the gifteds, if he and the EW pick the same villager, the villager dies, but when the GW has all the gifteds, when he and the EW pick the same villager, nothing happens because the villager is saved from the EW's scry by being picked by the GW?

[Rikae]

Sorry I haven't been keeping up. I'm in Germany, where there are no computers... er, well, sort of.
Roa, I'd love to be your sister.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Because of the strong voicings there will be a modfire for anyone who does not post or vote in two Days.

Well I would like to at least voice my opinion that I am strongly against modfire, respectively: I am for modfire, but only for the "light" modfire, i.e. not posting consequently for two days at all. I am also doing that for personal reasons and for well knowing that it can happen. Or then, make it the "strong" modfire, but prolongate it to three days (but then, I think three are too long - two would be better, but only with the "lite" version).

Otherwise, I have no objections and I find my age, occupation, family status and their portrayal in the family tree Roa provided... and I am proud of being one of the few who do not stick to their own family. And I am saying rightaway that no Romeo and Juliet are going to take place here.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

And I am saying rightaway that no Romeo and Juliet are going to take place here.

*giggles and casts a sideway glance to Aganzir*

Ahem, yes, no such thing is going to happen in this village as my daughters are far too sensible for that kind of romantic stupidities, aren't you, darlings? (Even though now I will have to wonder if Nilp and I are to become black sheep of sorts of our family, to let our girls meddle with the rivalling family... well, better than incest, I guess...)

Besides, Legate, you really shouldn't have said that. For now I started thinking that a couple of years from now, I'll mod DW III and it will have lovers in it to make everything even more messy...

[Thinlómien]

And the lovers are of course the wizards (now there's a Romeo&Juliet story for you ) - they die when the other one dies anyway...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Ahem, yes, no such thing is going to happen in this village as my daughters are far too sensible for that kind of romantic stupidities, aren't you, darlings? (Even though now I will have to wonder if Nilp and I are to become black sheep of sorts of our family, to let our girls meddle with the rivalling family... well, better than incest, I guess...)

Hey, actually, you are my (possible further) mother-in-law! Ai...

Besides, Legate, you really shouldn't have said that. For now I started thinking that a couple of years from now, I'll mod DW III and it will have lovers in it to make everything even more messy...

In that case, I am not going to play...