Scarburg Meadhall Discussion Thread

[Eönwë]

You could go with some kingish names, like Alfred (or Ælfred if it makes you happier), or Redwald (Rædwald). Sorry Lommy.

And how about titles. like "...the..."/"...of the..."/"... ....-....[must be a kenning here]" depending on what they are.

And an interesting question Elempi would Eorlings name their swords?

[Groin Redbeard]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

And an interesting question Elempi would Eorlings name their swords?

Theoden and Eomer did: Huragrim and Guthwine.

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Groin Redbeard

Theoden and Eomer did: Huragrim and Guthwine.

Herugrim?

[littlemanpoet]

1. Æthelward
2. Lithor
3. Wilcred
4. Osmund
5. Alfhere
6. Elfric
7. Alfred
8. Redwald
9.

Just a note: my character, Eodwine, is named so in order to match Tolkien's chosen dialect of Anglo-Saxon, that of Mercia, which is the Norman term for 'the Mark'. So just as Eomer, so Eodwine. Which would change the above list, were we to follow the dialect, to:

1. Eothelward
2. Lithor
3. Wilcred
4. Eosmund
5. Eolfhere
6. Eolfric
7. Eolfred
8. Redwald
9.

Do you want to go for these more Eorling dialectal versions, or stick to the original suggestions? Or a mix?

Looks like Gwath has answered the sword question for me. However, Herugrim and Guthwine were the swords of kings and nobles, whereas Eorlings might be more humble and name their swords something like, "my sword". Unlesss, of course, it is of ancient lineage.

Oh, and on "blasted Norman thugs", I second the motion.

Lhuna, I may not get a chance to post today after all. Tomorrow for sure!

This is getting very, very fun!!!

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

Oh, and on "blasted Norman thugs", I second the motion.

Thirded (or seconded if you caount my last post as saying this, btw, I've always said this)


ANYWAY...

Hopefully I'll get to post today if shaggydog PMs me. If not then I might still post but it will be quite short.

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

Just a note: my character, Eodwine, is named so in order to match Tolkien's chosen dialect of Anglo-Saxon, that of Mercia, which is the Norman term for 'the Mark'. So just as Eomer, so Eodwine. Which would change the above list, were we to follow the dialect, to:

1. Eothelward
2. Lithor
3. Wilcred
4. Eosmund
5. Eolfhere
6. Eolfric
7. Eolfred
8. Redwald
9.

Do you want to go for these more Eorling dialectal versions, or stick to the original suggestions? Or a mix?

I was going to say, that the names I gave, Redwald, would actually be Rædwald (Reodwald?) and Ælfred.

And maybe, we could say that people from different Emnets had different Anglo-Saxon dialects, but that might be pushing it. I'm not an expert on how Tolkien wanted the Rohirrim (Eorlings?) to speak Englisc.

[littlemanpoet]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

I was going to say, that the names I gave, Redwald, would actually be Rædwald (Reodwald?) and Ælfred.

If I understand my etymology and linquistics correctly, the Æ sound was prominent in Wessex (the south near Winchester) whereas the Eo sound was prominent in Mercia (Oxford and surround).

And maybe, we could say that people from different Emnets had different Anglo-Saxon dialects, but that might be pushing it. I'm not an expert on how Tolkien wanted the Rohirrim (Eorlings?) to speak Englisc.

I think this is a valid point, and one that Tolkien would have appreciated, especially considering that Anglo-Saxon England stretched across a rather hilly land (in general) that takes up less space than the plains of Cardolan (Rohan). Granted, the Anglo-Saxons had few horses whereas the horses of the Eorlingas turn Rohan's plains into a virtual highway such that dialects would arguably be minimized. It's a tough call. Anyway, I think we need not get ourselves bogged down in this too much. We can use any Anglo-Saxon name we like, be it Mercian, Wessexian, Kentish, East Anglian, Yorkish, take your pick.

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

If I understand my etymology and linquistics correctly, the Æ sound was prominent in Wessex (the south near Winchester) whereas the Eo sound was prominent in Mercia (Oxford and surround).

I wasn't doubting your supreme knowledge of linguistics, Elempi.

[littlemanpoet]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

I wasn't doubting your supreme knowledge of linguistics, Elempi.

Supreme???? Hah! The only thing I've ever been supreme in is folly.

[littlemanpoet]

Oops! I forgot all about this. Here are the 8 names collected for the three extra guards. The name Lithor has been getting used in a couple posts now by Erbrand, and if you like, that may be considered in your vote. You get to vote three times each. I will vote only to break a tie.

1. Æthelward
2. Lithor
3. Wilcred
4. Osmund
5. Alfhere
6. Elfric
7. Alfred
8. Redwald

Voting will conclude on June 15.

[Gwathagor]

(How do you do that a/e thing???)

++Aethelward, Osmund, and Elfric

[Gwathagor]

Additionally, I aim to post sometime this afternoon. Or maybe I'll post on Treachery of Men. Or maybe both...

[Folwren]

I vote Elfric.

[Groin Redbeard]

++ Lithor, Osmund, and Wilcred

[Folwren]

Hey, I'm sorry about the brevity of the post. It got the essence of what I wanted into it. Anyway, I won't be posting for a looooong time. About an hour ago marked the beginning of the rehearsal for a wedding that I am in, so from now until after the reception tomorrow, I'm not going to be on.

Gwathagor, Javan's speech might make Crabannan seriously peeved.

-- Folwren

[Gwathagor]

It very well might.

[littlemanpoet]

Your turn, Lhuna!

Wow! That ended up being a long post! Saturday mornings are great for that.

Lommy, Foley, & Gwath, you now have Falco to deal with.

[Thinlómien]

Hmmm... I daresay that list with a dozen eo's looks a bit bad. Surely they all can't be named Eo-something?

The situation te,pts me but I'm afraid I won't have time to write before Monday. But I think you can continue it well without Cnebba doing anything special...

[littlemanpoet]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Hmmm... I daresay that list with a dozen eo's looks a bit bad. Surely they all can't be named Eo-something?

In modern English, the "cognate" prefix is "Al": Alfred, Albert, Allen, Alden, Aldo, Aldous, Alger, Alston, Alvin. So we could avoid using such names, considering that most men aren't named any of these at all, anymore. The alternate common thread in Eorling life was Theoden and Theodred. But there was also Erkenbrand, Hama, and so forth. So it appears that the "eo" was reserved for the higher classes. Hmmm! So Eodwine is perhaps named above his original station! Hmmm!

Firefoot: as per "peculiar look", I suppose you're thinking of Eodwine's wish not to cut down the trees on the Scarburg property. If I am correct in that, then the peculiar look wouldn't occur, because the wood Stigend is going to fetch will come from OFF the Scarburg property, and if wood is needed for the animal pens, then it's just simply needed, and Eodwine is enough of a realist to understand that. If I misunderstand what you're doing, please let me know.

[littlemanpoet]

Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

Firefoot: as per "peculiar look", I suppose you're thinking of Eodwine's wish not to cut down the trees on the Scarburg property. If I am correct in that, then the peculiar look wouldn't occur, because the wood Stigend is going to fetch will come from OFF the Scarburg property, and if wood is needed for the animal pens, then it's just simply needed, and Eodwine is enough of a realist to understand that. If I misunderstand what you're doing, please let me know.

The above conversation was never answered by Firefoot. Is she also playing Dueling Wizards? I'm quite convinced that game is largely responsible for the drag here (except in the case of Foley), without even looking at the list of players.

I guess I'll pick up that thread if I don't hear from Firefoot in the next couple of days.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

Is she also playing Dueling Wizards? I'm quite convinced that game is largely responsible for the drag here (except in the case of Foley), without even looking at the list of players.

Even if not in regard to Firefoot you're right. At least with me it is that right now. I had my hectic week and it passed - and Lommy has briefed me somewhat what has been going on in here.

I'll be around in a short while. And staying for good then.

So sorry to make that kind of claim once more but just wait until I start calling up on you why you're not posting anything when I have a host of time in my hands and want to move things forwards...

[Folwren]

Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

Lommy, Foley, & Gwath, you now have Falco to deal with.

Thank'ee. It appears that Javan is in Falco's debt, for he saved him from, if not a throttling, at least a shaking.

I don't know when I'll post next. Maybe tomorrow, but I'd rather wait for Lommy to post. Or Elempi.

-- Folwren

[shaggydog]

Eonwe, I tried to send you a PM but your box is full.

I will try to get a post up today/tonight.

[Lhunardawen]

Originally Posted by Elempi

Back on the old Eorling Mead Hall rpg thread, Nerindel posted for Matrim and I think also for Balvir. Go to Members List (just at the top of this "page" next to "User CP" and "FAQ"), and find Nerindel, then choose to look at all posts by her; that's probably the easiest way to find it.

Sorry I haven't noticed this before, but there's an easier way. (And a lot of good this will do, now Groin had already posted , but I'll say it anyway for future reference.) Click on the number of replies to the EMH thread, that's a link to the members who have posted to the thread. Look for Nerindel and click on the number of posts next to her name, that's a link to all her posts to the thread.

Originally Posted by Elempi

Whoa! Now there's an unexpected twist! You realize, of course, Lhuna (of course you do ), that Harreld could infer at least three different implications out of her words: 1, that she likes his company, 2, that she wishes to spend time with him, and 3, that she's willing to be courted after all. "If you will have me" indeed!

I shall have to ponder Harreld's thoughts and reply before I post.

I did realise that, and I can't wait to see where this goes! Truth be told, Ginna herself isn't sure what she really wants to happen; she's too focused on the present to give any thought to the future.

[littlemanpoet]

Originally Posted by Lhunardawen

...she's too focused on the present to give any thought to the future.

And that, my friends, is the linchpin of the problem for Harreld.

[littlemanpoet]

Poor Harreld, the perfect victim to get strung along by a maiden who can't make up her mind.

[Lhunardawen]

Both Ginna's and Lhuna's jaws dropped. Ginna immediately closed hers - she knew this was coming all along. Lhuna did, too, but her mouth stayed open.

"What?" said Ginna to her writer. "Don't tell me you didn't expect something like this."

"I did," scowled Lhuna, "but the reply's more my problem than yours. You're not the one who has to stop laughing long enough to post your answer." And with that she laughed, much to Ginna's resentment. Her ordeal was not a laughing matter. She frowned at Lhuna.

"Oh, no, it's not you," explained Lhuna between fits of giggles, "it's just that I think Harreld had spent too much time with Eodwine." She sobered up suddenly. "Well, then again, it must be, if they're staying inside the same man's brain. Speaking of Elempi...I hope he doesn't mind waiting. I'm not really in the best position to respond now; I shouldn't even be writing this loony post. It certainly isn't helping me with my paper."

"And besides," Lhuna added, with a conspiratorial grin at her character, "maybe you wouldn't need to respond...yet. Or someone might make it easier for you to make up your mind. Who knows?" She winked at Ginna.

[littlemanpoet]

Huh. You remember stuff I forgot.

Er, didn't you know? "Dear one" is a typical Eorling turn of phrase.

My, that was a heavy post between Eodwine and Saeryn, was it not! Thanks for the trip down memory lane.

[littlemanpoet]

Groin, that was quite a post! Good storytelling. One thing I wonder about though - how lucky does a good hunter have to be to hit deer in the heart with an arrow first try, and only have to use one arrow to bring a deer down? I can imagine a deer getting hit once, in the chest even, getting one lung pierced, and still running away though perhaps not so fast. Just wondering.

[Groin Redbeard]

Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

Groin, that was quite a post! Good storytelling.

Thanks LMP, I'm glad that you liked it.

Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

One thing I wonder about though - how lucky does a good hunter have to be to hit deer in the heart with an arrow first try, and only have to use one arrow to bring a deer down? I can imagine a deer getting hit once, in the chest even, getting one lung pierced, and still running away though perhaps not so fast. Just wondering.

To it a deer in the heart is a challenging shot to make, but you don't just need to hit him there, if you pierce any of his two lungs with an arrow the animal is as good as dead. Yes, I have seen deer run away with my arrow in their chest, usually because the arrow didn't penetrate deeply enough. That's why I had the hunters unusually close to the deer. Lithor was riding right beside them, the Gondorians where only a few yards away from them (plus they had long bows), and Erbrand pulled his bow all the way back to his chin/cheek while most hunters draw it back to their chest.

So yes, killing a deer is a difficult job, but I tried to give the characters all the advantage that I could. I hope that helps, LMP.

[littlemanpoet]

Originally Posted by Groin Redbeard

So yes, killing a deer is a difficult job, but I tried to give the characters all the advantage that I could. I hope that helps, LMP.

Well, I'm glad I asked. I've learned something now. In the words of Shrek, "I'm a believer!"

[Folwren]

K. I got to post. It's rather short, but it got the boys back. Lommy, I figured you could post for Garstan next. There is a slight chance that I can post sometime this week at camp, if you happen to get a post up that I need to reply to.

-- Folwren

[piosenniel]

How to make those diphthongs (mashed together A-E's/O-E's) and other vowels with squiggly marks:

Press and hold down the ALT key while typing the four number code on your NUMPAD, then release ALT.

À - 0192
à - 0224
Á - 0193
á - 0225
 - 0194
â - 0226
Ä - 0195
ä - 0228
Æ - 0198
æ - 0230
È - 0200
è - 0232
É - 0201
é - 0233
Ê - 0202
ê - 0234
Ë - 0203
ë - 0235
Ì - 0204
ì - 0236
Í - 0205
í - 0237
Î - 0206
î - 0238
Ï - 0207
ï - 0239
Ò - 0210
ò - 0242
Ó - 0211
ó - 0243
Ô - 0212
ô - 0244
Ö - 0214
ö - 0246
Π- 0140
œ - 0156
Ù - 0217
ù - 0249
Ú - 0218
ú - 0250
Û - 0219
û - 0251
Ü - 0220
ü - 0252
Ý - 0221
ý - 0253
ÿ - 0255

[Gwathagor]

Oh thanks. That would be super helpful...if I wasn't using a laptop keyboard (i.e. no numpad).

[Kath]

Gwath, I replied to your post and left the end open so Crabannan can choose what he wants to share with Kara.

[piosenniel]

The errand rider from Gondor dismounted quickly and strode purposefully into the thread. He unfurled a parchment and nailed it to one of the walls:

***

Come one, come all, you denizens here and in far lands!!
All those who enjoy the reading of a good tale and the playing out of one.

A new name has been added to the list of storytellers in Gondor:

~*~ littlemanpoet ~*~

Come and give your congratulations to this wonderful wordsmith!

~*~ Free drinks/ free food/ & plenty of good company ~*~

***

Come to The Seventh Star Inn in Gondor and lift a glass to littlemanpoet.!!!

[Folwren]

Hey, everyone. I wanted to post this weekend. I really, really did. But it doesn't look like it's happening. If I get up really early tomorrow and work really fast, then maybe I will. But, the thing is, on the weekends, I need as much rest as I can get, so I don't see myself getting up early tomorrow. Sorry.

I didn't realize Thornden was with Eodwine and Leof. I guess that's alright. I thought he was off station guards and trying to find the people sneaking around camp. I guess I was wrong. Oh well. Have fun with him and Javan. And Saeryn.

-- Foley

[littlemanpoet]

As to Thornden, Foley, you WERE right, but things happened and Eodwine made choices, one of them being - for better or worse, we'll see - to NOT post guards because every hand was needed for other work.