Werewolf XLVI: Getting Back to Basics

[Kath]

Hmm, some answers and then another look at what's going on I think now I've finally made it into the right thread.

So, Lommy. You didn't like me making everything very black and white and just having lists. That's how I've decided to work. I used to analyse a lot and turn myself in circles and just be confused, so now I make snap decisions and it seems to work a little better. For example, I had Gwath, Legate and Nog as suspicious and one of those at least turns out right! Of course I had little basis for suspicion, it was Day 1, I had very little more suspicion of Legate but just enough to edge him in front. Had I been trying to protect Gwath I would not have mentioned Lhuna possibly dreaming of him.

As to now, I think Volo's death makes sense. He hadn't been around much, looks like an attempt at a safe kill to me. Suspects wise, I'm actually inclined to stick with my previous ones: Legate and Nog. Although Nog is looking less suspicious to me toDay. He has toned down the aggrieved act a bit which definitely helps though it's still there. Legate ... I have nothing concrete against Legate but whenever I read his posts it just feels wrong, like every word is being too deliberately thought out.

I actually wouldn't be enormously surprised if we had a Gwath-Legate-Nog wolf triad. It may have been a bold move to suspect their own so early but I know Nog is a bold player and I wouldn't put it past Legate either.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I think Kath's above post makes my view of her worse, the way she acts looks somewhat wolfy, just overall, explaining yet staying back... simply, I had a bad feeling from it.

Originally Posted by Kath

Of course I had little basis for suspicion, it was Day 1, I had very little more suspicion of Legate but just enough to edge him in front. Had I been trying to protect Gwath I would not have mentioned Lhuna possibly dreaming of him.

This is merely taking up one point I mentioned earlier toDay as an counter-evidence for Kath not being a wolf. Why not, but it's the only point, and it may be so that Kathwolf simply quotes it as well because she knows others (namely me) thought about it too, and also of course if she were a wolf, she might have mentioned it in the first place just for this reason. If there are other reasons why we should not think she were united with Gwath, she could add them and not just mention this one. You know what I mean? Maybe there aren't and she is simply clinging to what was voiced.

Or, if we have three wolves, then it's Gwath-Nog-Kath and then it'd be solved.

I don't know now, will, as I said, have to vote fast. I am not very comfortable with it and I also think I could have put more effort because I actually believe if we really properly looked through older posts, now when we know that Gwath was a Wolf, we could find the remaining one or two wolves by good analysis this time. Alas, I don't have time for this. Will be back in about an hour and cast my vote. Isn't it so quiet here?

[satansaloser2005]

Sorry, late night. Just got up and already have to run to class,
so I'm going to be quiet for a while.

Originally Posted by Legate

Or, if we have three wolves, then it's Gwath-Nog-Kath and then it'd be solved.

Gwath and Noggie? Um, I find that highly unlikely as a wolf pairing. Kath, on the other hand, makes a lot of sense. I've been finding her kind of fishy for a while but haven't had any evidence to support it. I would be happy with a Kath lynch today, just to put that out there in case anyone wants to know.

Okay, I need to go to class; just felt the need to post SOMETHING before I went away for a while.



EDIT: x'd with Lommy

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Kath

Had I been trying to protect Gwath I would not have mentioned Lhuna possibly dreaming of him.

But I think someone had already mentioned the possibility, so it didn't matter.

But Kath... you confuse me. Your response is too defensive yet there's something innocent in it. Also, I have the feeling that two of the remaining wolves will be found in the group formed by you, Nog and Legate, and you accusing them so loudly makes me wonder. Either I'm right, you're innocent and our minds work similarily or I'm right, you're not innocent and you're trying to win something by separating yourself from them so forcefully, or I'm not right and wolves are laughing at me. Anyway, at least one of you is a wolf, or I'll eat my head. If the other remaining wolf is some sneakie excellent at playing innocent (Nerwen? Oddwen? even Mith or Sally? or the absent Elf-warrior?). But, whatever you say Kath, I think you're most probably guilty of you three, not because you're more suspicious than the others, but because it all fits better with you and one of Nog or Legate being fellows than with the two of them together.

edit: xed with Legate

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Legate

Or, if we have three wolves, then it's Gwath-Nog-Kath and then it'd be solved.

What? Why "or, if we have three wolves"? Isn't that the probable scenario? Or are there just two wolves in this game and they were you and Gwath and you just slipped? This is starting to be more and more confusing...

edit: xed with Sally

[Nogrod]

Sorry but this day seems to be much more busier I anticipated. But I have a few moments now and then before the deadline.

On the basis of votings there are three people I'd say are more innocent than not. In the order of their innocence in my eyes they are: Sally, Lommy and Oddwen.

Sally brought Gwath level with me yesterDay at the last minute while it would have been easy for her to vote me just saying something like "let's check Noggie out then" or something and thence gen an innocent lynched & save her mate. And as I said earlier it would be a bit too high a price with this many villagers left for a wolf to buy "credence" with a fellow-sacrifice.

Lommy's vote in the end of Day1 would have been really dangerous as wolf-game. When she voted four players hadn't voted yet and she brought Gwath to be the runner-up in a last minute.

Oddwen began voting Gwath and there clearly was a general mood in the air that Gwath might be one of the main candidates that Day. So a pretty bold move for a wolf - even if not as bold as Sally's or Lommy's were they wolves.

Anyway. I'm going to leave these three out from my condsideration as to who's our remaining wolves for a moment. It helps to focus.

EDIT: x'd with many...

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Lommy's vote in the end of Day1 would have been really dangerous as wolf-game. When she voted four players hadn't voted yet and she brought Gwath to be the runner-up in a last minute.

Okay, good, I remember to do that to my fellow when I'm a wolf...

Seriously though, now I'll finish the analysis on Gwath & Day2...

[Nerwen]

Hello, everyone. My apologies for prolonged silence, but I have had the most horrifyingly awful day in RL.

I need to read toDay's posts, and also re-read yesterDay's. As a preliminary comment, I'll say that I don't like the way certain people went after me for theorising about the implications of the Seer's lynching– especially now that we know Gwath was a wolf...

[Thinlómien]

(Again, leaving some Gwath-Legate stuff out...)

Day2

This is not straightly related to Gwath, but rather to my Gwath-Kath-Nog theory. I'm afraid it's not waterproof.

Originally Posted by Kath

He's pretty much defending Gwath, though subtly, saying Gwath wouldn't have picked up the cues and suggesting Lhuna didn't dream of him. The fact that my suspicion of Nog is growing makes me wonder about this, but then I'm not sure a Nog-wolf would be so obvious.

What! Hey, was this a slip? Why is defending Gwath subtly so incriminating? Kath had said she was suspicious of Gwath, but not that much. Is she letting her real knowlegde (ie that Gwath is guilty) show here accidentally? Creepy. Or is this just a general "defending others subtly is suspicious" thing? Well, even in that case, I'm afraid, Kath looks quite furry...
Now I'm just wondering if wolf-Kath would say such a thing about wolf-Nog considering wolf-Gwath...

Like it has been said many times, Oddwen would be very bold if she was a wolf.

There's something odd, if not necessarily suspicious, in the relationship between Nerwen and Gwath & Nogrod. (I'm not implying they're a wolf trio... I would think it rather unprobable that Nogrod and Nerwen were fellows...)

The way Sally comments on Lhuna's possible dream of Gwath seems rather innocent.

Originally Posted by Legate

Only, about - and to - Gwathagor. If you are not a wolf, I would like to warn you about something, at least I think that's your style of playing: you give too much to what others think. Think for yourself!

If I believed in wolves giving each other advice, I'd take a second look at this.

Gwath voted Legate when there seemed to be little support for this suspicion. Was there so little that he could safely vote a fellow, guessing he would die, and his fellow would thus look good? Or was he double-bluffing and trying to make Legate look guilty by this logic? Or did he think Nogrod and maybe I or someone else would join the bandwagon?

Legate voted Nogrod saying:

Originally Posted by Legate

Anyway I feel also more relaxed, as both Nog or Gwath are high on my list, and I'll be comfortable whichever of them ends up lynched (now that sounded pretty awful...).

Which I would call downright suspicious if my own attitude towards the situation hadn't been so much the same...

Okay, conclusions coming in a minute but I doubt it's anything new...


edit: xed with Nerwen

[Nogrod]

Of the rest the only one I have some clearer suspicions and that is Nerwen - I suspected her somewhat already yesterDay but with second look I'm a bit more worried.

Her reaction to Lhuna's seerdom after starting Lhuna-voting herself on Day1 looked both overdefencive and included that little slip I qwuoted you yesterDay. Also her answer to that was a trial to deny what she had said. If you don't remember it I'll just quote the basic lines.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

there were already votes on Volo, Gwath and Legate at the point when Nerwen voted. Why was she afraid - already then as she claims - the wolves might jump particularly on her vote? Why did she vote for Lhuna if she wasn't actually the most suspicious one in her eyes?

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I was not afraid that the wolves might jump particularly on my vote. Where did you get that idea? I was speaking mostly on general principles

And the original which I referred to was of course like this:

Originally Posted by Nerwen earlier

I was, of course, afraid of wolves jumping on my vote

Also she said earlier (her first post on Day2 that is)

However– why wasn't she [Lhuna] killed in the night instead? Remember, she suspected everyone who voted her, so if there are wolves among them (I'm not one, as it happens), then they risked incriminating themselves.

So in the same sentence she manages to say out aloud that she is innocent + say that anyway the wolves would have acted boldly (meaning "were she a wolf" she of course wouldn't have acted that way eg. making a double defence there for herself?).

In the end all the little she did yesterDay was defending herself even if there never were any strong suspicions on her.

Could be jumpy like a wolf...

EDIT: X'd wikth Nerwen and Lommy

[Thinlómien]

Okay: in short, my conclusion is my well-promoted opinion, ie that probably two, but at least one of Nogrod, Kath and Legate is a wolf.

Kath and Nogrod seem most like Gwath's comrades, but I'm not sure if it really looks like they were fellows. If they are, Kath is playing it riskily (although Nogrod's Day1 show of "wow, I consider Kath innocent" would nicely fit). That would also fit my mental image since Legate seems most innocent of the three in terms of general manner and because if he was Nogrod or Kath's fellow, he'd be a real backstabber. But that of course is a possibility...

Legate and Nogrod, now that would be a scenario. I would not be surprised to see them as wolves debating and suspecting each other like they have, but somehow, if you add Gwath accusing them both to the mix, it's just too much. But I've not discounted this possibility.

Kath and Legate? I think this is the second-best theory of these three, but there are weak points in this one as well. Kath would have been quite bold to vote Legate on Day1 and especially as to put herself in a situation where she was choosing the one to vote from her two fellows. Yet it's not impossible, I know...

I may sound a bit obsessed, but I simply think these combinations make most sense. Oddwen would be really really bold if she was Gwath's fellow (and she sounds a bit too honest to be a wolf), Mith would be really dishonest and uncharacteristic to claim ordoness when wolf, Sally would be madly bold and I just can't bring myself to consider Elf-Warrior yet. Nerwen is the only real possibility, but she doesn't stand out the same way my three top suspects do and her overall manner is quite innocent in my opinion. I would think it extremely improbable that there is more than wolf among these people, so that's why I'm all for lynching Nogrod, Kath or Legate, especially as I think that by removing one name from that trio we have the two remaining wolves named.

A miracle is needed if I'm not to vote any of those three toDay.


edit: xed with Oddwen

[Oddwen]

My suspicions are strongest of Nogrod - and only slightly less of Sally, I've yet to be convinced she knew she was casting the tying vote between Gwath & Nogrod & thought it was a "safe" vote - Lommy is behaving much the same way as Nogrod, not sure if that's the family resemblance - there are also suspicions of Nerwen & ElfWarrior, Kath, Legate.

I guess that leaves Mith, who seems honest. I don't know about innocent, but honest certainly.

Drat, time flies when you need it to pause.

Late for work again,

++NOGROD

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Oddwen

My suspicions are strongest of Nogrod - and only slightly less of Sally, I've yet to be convinced she knew she was casting the tying vote between Gwath & Nogrod & thought it was a "safe" vote - Lommy is behaving much the same way as Nogrod, not sure if that's the family resemblance - there are also suspicions of Nerwen & ElfWarrior, Kath, Legate.

I guess that leaves Mith, who seems honest. I don't know about innocent, but honest certainly.

Drat, time flies when you need it to pause.

Late for work again,

++NOGROD

I. Do not. Like this. Now, I don't mean to be defensive, but I don't understand how mine was a "safe vote," especially since I was risking Gwath's death with only two votes left to come in. Now, if Noggie is a wolf, your theory is definitely valid, but I think it would be a better wolf strategy to doom him rather than tie up the vote with Gwath. Does that make sense? (Apologies, started this post and am finishing it in class so I kind of lost my train of thought. I'll be happy to clarify if needed)

Noggie himself seems off to me. When Legate found me innocent based on my vote for Gwath, Noggie did not find this significant. When we clarified the importance of my vote, he still had some sort of a "Bwah? Why is that relevant?" Then toDay he says he finds me innocent for the same reason Legate stated previously. This definitely strikes me as odd; he may have an explanation for this switch, or he may have re-examined the points Legate and I made. Either way, I still find him slightly innocent, though this latest behavior is disconcerting.



EDIT: x'd with everything since Oddie

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, I read briefly and not too deeply up to about post 241 (hey this is just what I said - all the time NOTHING ,and now a million posts when I don't have time ). Anyway, just some things...

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

What? Why "or, if we have three wolves"? Isn't that the probable scenario? Or are there just two wolves in this game and they were you and Gwath and you just slipped?

Nope, that's just a matter of expression - imagine brackets there instead of commas. That is : "Or (if we have three wolves) ..." Speaking of it, I consider both as probable as the other - two or three.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Sally brought Gwath level with me yesterDay at the last minute while it would have been easy for her to vote me just saying something like "let's check Noggie out then" or something and thence gen an innocent lynched & save her mate. And as I said earlier it would be a bit too high a price with this many villagers left for a wolf to buy "credence" with a fellow-sacrifice.

OH MY! AGAIN! But Nog, you have said clearly the opposite at the start of the day. What caused this change of opinion? You were all "Why do you think Sally was innocent?" and when it was explained by that she leveled Gwath with you, you still said something like "And so what?" What the heck? Did you rethink it? Well nothing against it, but your behavior... oh my...

Anyway, heck. I am going to go for Kath now, but Nog sir, if you are a wolf, don't laugh, you won't see the daylight for much longer. I have to take care of my frogs now. Fare all well folks, except for the wolves!

++Kath

Although I must confess I feel uneasy. But whatever. See ya later...

P.S. And just can't resist:

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Anyway, at least one of you is a wolf, or I'll eat my head.

Oh poor my, I hope that's not going to happen

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Oh poor my, I hope that's not going to happen

I'm quite confident it won't... and besides, if it happens, I deserve it.

Originally Posted by Legate

Okay, I read briefly and not too deeply up to about post 241

Post 241? Ooh, Legate is in the future...

[Thinlómien]

Why is it so silent?

Because all vocal players are wolves and afraid of saying anything? And the quiet ones are behaving just characteristically? Okay, whatever but it just makes me wonder since it's quite close to deadline and usually there's far more talk at this time of the Day.

I'm tempted to vote and leave and close the computer for the rest of the day but that'd be quite stupid... *sigh* Speak up if you're there...


edit: typical... just when I was complaining about silence... ( = cross-posted with Sally)

[satansaloser2005]

Sorry, Lommy. Sally's not here right now. She died from being crushed by a giant pile of homework. Lack of sleep also contributed to her demise.



I'm here(ish) for the rest of the Day, so don't fret. Just going to be rather quiet as I'm rather tired and busy.

[Thinlómien]

At least you make me feel less lonely...

[Mithalwen]

Just got let outof work and need to apologise for my blonde moment at lunchtime. I didn't have my note book or much time and only when I started trying to work out who was left did I remember that you eejits lynched my baby girl .... not the wolves .. though on reflection I may well find out I was right first time. .. off to catch up... or make a random decision and enjoy the fabulous weather....

[The Elf-warrior]

Sorry for my quietness, all. Here's my list in rough order of suspiciousness:

Green light:
Mith. There's the possibility that Lhuna dreamt of her innocence, and I just don't see her being a wolf.
Oddwen. Possible seer dream and 2nd DAY vote for Gwath pretty much clear her.

Sally. Her vote seems to clear her, and because she said

Well....I think I'm voting for Gwath today. Not to be co-dependant, but I'm going to wait like one more minute and see how others are voting. Don't want to waste a vote on Gwath if it comes down to two other suspects being in close ranks lynchwise.

But if Nogrod is a wolf, that would negate this evidence because she would have been choosing between two wolves. However, she was on Gwath's case earlier so unless Gwath was a sacrificial wolf, she is pretty much in the clear.
Legate. If I had to guess, I'd say he's innocent. I think that Lhuna's gut feeling was right, that Gwath was trying to suck up to Legate. See post #36.

Nogrod: My feeling is that Gwath come against Nogrod too hard for him to be a wolf. But Lommy's arguments make me not completely write off the possibility that Nogrod is a wolf.

Lommy. Her vote against Gwath seems to clear her and I didn't find her that suspicious.

I wouldn't focus on any of these right now. I'd focus on my last two.

Yellow light:
Kath. I haven't seen much suspicious behaviour, but Kath being a wolf would seem to fit in with Gwath's lycanthropy. That doesn't mean she's a wolf, though.

Red light:
Nerwen. That thing about the wolves killing Lhuna doesn't sit well with me. Her being a wolf would also fit in with Gwath.

++Nerwen

What you can do, Nogrod, is make a clear and convincing vote for a wolf. Just my two cents.

[Thinlómien]

Nogrod, I can understand you're frustrated. But sadly it doesn't mean you're innocent. You wanted reasonable reasons why you're a wolf. What about Gwath not voting you yesterDay, for starters?

And I'm sorry, I do have a couple of factual reasons to suspect you, and I've said them aloud, but mostly my suspicion of you is based on a gut-feeling or how you appear overall. I know it's annoying to be voted on such basis, but maybe you've just become such a good player that you don't make actual slips or mistakes or obvious trciks when you're a wolf that there is simply no other way of catching you than gut-feelings.

What a speech. If you're innocent, feel free to laugh at me.


edit: xed with Nog

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by The Elf-warrior

[/B]What you can do, Nogrod, is make a clear and convincing vote for a wolf. Just my two cents.

I did one already yesterDay but that seems not to be enough...

[The Elf-warrior]

I'm sorry, Nogrod, I saw, but I didn't observe. Looking at Nogrod's DAY 2 vote again, about the only way I can see Nogrod being a wolf is if Gwath was a sacrificial wolf, so you're probably innocent. *casts a sideways glance at Lommy* Hear the man out. Vote Nerwen.

[satansaloser2005]

Or Kath. I still prefer Kath. But I'll go with consensus.



Can we give Noggie another day? Please? I'm going to be really unhappy if he dies today and he's proven innocent. Granted, he'll be proven innocent, but he'll be dead. I'd rather learn more about someone else....

[satansaloser2005]

I think I'm cursed. Every time I try to post, my computer/Internet freezes up. Maybe a quick post about something else will break the "curse."



Noggie's stranger-than-usual behavior towards myself....

Originally Posted by Noggie

Legate: have I missed something or why do you think the wolves should have killed Sally?

Basically confirming that I shouldn't have died that night, and that killing me would make no sense. Maybe he was just second guessing the killing of Volo? I don't know

Originally Posted by Noggie

So? I still don't see the point...

And a word of caution to my suggestion of watching Lommy: the voting records just caught my eye. Lommy voted for Gwath on Day1 as the second last voter (one minute before the DL) bringing him one vote away from Lhuna. In the end there were three people who didn't vote that Day but I'd say that would be really bold move from a fellow-wolf because she couldn't know who would vote and whom! I'll take that as an argument on her favour. It would just have been a bit too risky.

Doesn't even acknowledge the fact that A: I saved his tush, and B: I was the instrumental vote in getting Gwath lynched. Still doesn't see this as important even after Legate and I explained it to him.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Sally brought Gwath level with me yesterDay at the last minute while it would have been easy for her to vote me just saying something like "let's check Noggie out then" or something and thence gen an innocent lynched & save her mate. And as I said earlier it would be a bit too high a price with this many villagers left for a wolf to buy "credence" with a fellow-sacrifice.

Suddenly I'm given the all clear from him? Why? For the exact reason he didn't understand/agree with previously. :eek!:



Sacred bovine! He set me up!!!!!




EDIT: x'd with Kath

[satansaloser2005]

Side note: Unless I'm mistaken, Elf has only made six posts....this ENTIRE game. If we're looking for a quiet wolf, I think he's a safe bet. Anyway, laptop is behaving again, so I'll get to that post I promised you all.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by The Elf-warrior

I have poem for you all. It's entitled "A Bucket Has Been Kicked"

Who is a wolf, I can not tell.
The thoughts in my head aren't clear as a bell.
Is it Mithalwen?
Or could it be Lhunardawen?
Or is it another?
All I know is the dairy farmer has been smothered
By men who take the shape of lycanthropes.
This problem has got this village by the throat.


Ok, on to business. Nogrod's critique of group based arguments in post 15 should be heeded. I'd like to add that the odds of being a wolve are x out of 14 (x=how many lycanthropes there are in this village.) If I had to guess, Nogrod's probably clean. Also, it doesn't matter whether someone has been a wolf before, the odds of someone being a wolf this time are still the same. Lhuna, Legate didn't say everyone was a cobbler, he said everyone was acting like a cobbler. On the other hand, the contents of your list may have been intended for humour as Lommy said, thus making your statement less suspicious in my opinion. As to Lommy's complaint about voting because one has to suspect someone seems perfectly innocent to me. As to Mithalwen, I'm inclined to agree with Kath that she's not a wolf on the grounds that she's playing for fun. I'll vote closer to the deadline.

Pretty much starts out silly. Though he almost seems like he has taken the liberty of explaining Noggie's posts for him. Not a whole lot to say on this (especially on my SIXTH attempt at a now-brief post) so let's just say that it makes me a tiny bit uncomfortable. Not a lot, but with Elf there's not a lot to go on, so I feel like I need to mention everything.

Originally Posted by The Elf-warrior

Nogrod,I can see why you would reason so, but I disagree. Maybe I'm an innocent who is looking for guidance, and who is persuaded by what you say.

++Aganzir

I agree with you about wolf plans, and you seem all right, but I'm going on a hunch. Please forgive me if you aren't a wolf.

Now this bothers me. "Maybe I'm an innocent and you're fooling me?" It seems to me like Elf is setting up an insanity defense well in advance.

Originally Posted by The Elf-warrior

Sorry for my quietness, all. Here's my list in rough order of suspiciousness:

Green light:
Mith. There's the possibility that Lhuna dreamt of her innocence, and I just don't see her being a wolf.
Oddwen. Possible seer dream and 2nd DAY vote for Gwath pretty much clear her.

Sally. Her vote seems to clear her, and because she said But if Nogrod is a wolf, that would negate this evidence because she would have been choosing between two wolves. However, she was on Gwath's case earlier so unless Gwath was a sacrificial wolf, she is pretty much in the clear.
Legate. If I had to guess, I'd say he's innocent. I think that Lhuna's gut feeling was right, that Gwath was trying to suck up to Legate. See post #36.

Nogrod: My feeling is that Gwath come against Nogrod too hard for him to be a wolf. But Lommy's arguments make me not completely write off the possibility that Nogrod is a wolf.

Lommy. Her vote against Gwath seems to clear her and I didn't find her that suspicious.

I wouldn't focus on any of these right now. I'd focus on my last two.

Yellow light:
Kath. I haven't seen much suspicious behaviour, but Kath being a wolf would seem to fit in with Gwath's lycanthropy. That doesn't mean she's a wolf, though.

Red light:
Nerwen. That thing about the wolves killing Lhuna doesn't sit well with me. Her being a wolf would also fit in with Gwath.

++Nerwen

What you can do, Nogrod, is make a clear and convincing vote for a wolf. Just my two cents.

Again, seems like a subtle-ish packmate tip. Now, I did much the same thing, thinking that Noggie couldn't possibly be packmate to Gwath, but since I know my role and not Elf's I need to be critical of this behavior, as I expect people to say the same of me. The last part, again, packmate advice. "Make a smooth vote, or you're in deep Padawan Poo[h]."

Originally Posted by The Elf-warrior

I'm sorry, Nogrod, I saw, but I didn't observe. Looking at Nogrod's DAY 2 vote again, about the only way I can see Nogrod being a wolf is if Gwath was a sacrificial wolf, so you're probably innocent. *casts a sideways glance at Lommy* Hear the man out. Vote Nerwen.

Now that we know that was the case, this looks especially bad. Again, I made the same mistake, but since Elf has had so many other things suspicious about his posts, this is worrisome.

Originally Posted by The Elf-warrior

Sally, you said something about strange ties. How strangely? Faith, even with losing my wits. I could kick myself for trusting Nogrod.

My last post yesterDAY was cross posted, but when I saw that I had cross-posted (including with Nogrod's post saying that I had lit a fire, but I didn't cross post with his statement saying he had already cast a clear and convincing vote for a wolf), the deadline had already past.

Possible. If this is the case, I am truly sorry, but I cannot trust anyone anymore, not after what happened with Noggie.

Originally Posted by The Elf-warrior

I've been wondering, how likely is it that there were four wolves in this village? In post #204 Legate said, "if we have three wolves..." He later says there could be two or three. We know there were more than two. Am I just being too pessimistic here?

Legate, I'd say she did directly interact with Nogrod.

In the very next post Sally quotes this statement without an "originally posted by..." and says,

Defending me in a way. So if he's the other wolf he's definitely continuing the set-up job on me.






EDIT IN ADVANCE: I'm posting all this just to make sure I don't have to go through and find it all again. Then I'll add in my bits. Sorry, but I'm sick of having my posts get eaten, so I'm going to be a little shady and edit my way into a post. Thanks for understanding!

[satansaloser2005]

Oh my gosh! It did it again!

[Nerwen]

We're running out of time. Looking at those quotes you provide, Sally, I think I'll give it a try–

++The Elf Warrior.

Of course if it is Sally after all, I'll feel like a right idiot. Ah well.

EDIT: fixed bolding.

[Mithalwen]

Difficult... nearly read through and find reasons to trust Kath and Oddie and suspect still Legate and Sally ...... Was sally choosing between her two companions in 171? Was Legate part of the elaborate trio of day one interaction...