Saruman and betrayal

[Groin Redbeard]

Originally Posted by Animalmother

Saruman is a politician-Wizard of the Left, who has presciently adopted as his own symbol a symbol of the modern Left, the rainbow of many colors.

This point alone is worthy of a rep., you have really captured the way that modern day liberals seek to apease everyone by claiming that they are for everyone, just like Saruman.

Originally Posted by Animalmother

Saruman is a mediator. He believes that an accommodation can be reached with Sauron that will satisfy Sauron's will to power, without sacrificing everything Saruman has sworn to protect.

Well, Saruman wanted to rule the earth and have the Ring for himself. I'm not sure that he was thinking so much about apeasing Sauron, as much as he was thinking about how he could defeat or stall Sauorn long enough for him to get the Ring.

Saruman broke his pledge when he started destroying Fangorn, so already he is sacrificing the things that he swore to protect.

Originally Posted by Animalmother

Saruman is a politician. Among the Dunlendings, Saruman stirs up and manipulates identity group politics-- the politics of resentment -- to acquire power for himself. If Rohan is Medieval Mercian Anglo-Saxon England, then the Dunlendings are the resentful Celtic fringe. Saruman uses the fringe against the sleepy smug drunken Riders of Rohan to acquire power for himself. If his plans had not been interrupted by the War of the Ring, he probably would have proposed through Wormtongue that Rohan enter into a Union of Middle Earth with the Dunlendings and the Orkish-folk of Isengard, with administrative headquarters of the Union at Isengard.

That's almost certainly what he would have done. Sauron had an idea just like that with the Mouth of Sauron serving as his lieutenant in Isengard.

[davem]

Originally Posted by Groin Redbeard

This point alone is worthy of a rep., you have really captured the way that modern day liberals seek to apease everyone by claiming that they are for everyone, just like Saruman.

Plus the fact that modern day liberals eat babies - just like Saruman is described as doing in an early draft of LotR.

[Groin Redbeard]

I don't know if that was sarcasm or sincerity, Davem.