Tapestry of Dreams, Part 2 Discussion - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

mark12_30 · 03-29-2008, 07:48 PM

When they do arrive, I will be focused on big stress between Amroth and the mad Nimrodel. They will reunite, sort of-- but it will not be an easy reunion, not cheerful-looking at all, not particularly uplifting for any of the mortals involved.

And there will be serious stress in Mellondu's heart, who has also fallen for the Nimrodel that Amroth once knew. No happy ending there.

THose are my two main foci. What are everyone else's plans? Anyone has a happy ending for somebody? I do have happy ending planned for Mellonin and Ravion. And Nethwador and Bella can be happy too.

Erebemlin will go back to Marigold.

Avarien will find peace.

Feanor of the Peredhil · 03-30-2008, 09:48 AM

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What are everyone else's plans? Anyone has a happy ending for somebody?

Indil has been through quite enough to deserve a happy ending. I see no reason why she shouldn't get one. Ie: a loving family, however untraditional it may be.

First though, Elempi and I need to resolve how Indil and Angela are intertwined.

littlemanpoet · 03-30-2008, 04:20 PM

Ædegard and Leafa will get their happy ending. Jorje is already happy, and will remain so no matter what, considering present company. Raefindan is a tricky one. My plan used to be that he "Enoch'd" out of modern day life but got detoured by the Hand of Eru to this here and now, and that once his task was performed, he would continue to his Enoch adventure. However, with the advent of his Imrazor-ness and the possibility that he is actually an Elf in (what he thought was ) a Human body, radically changes everything. With Angela as Indil's "soul", when Indil arrives at the glade, there will be an immediate joining and Indil will think thoughts and speak words beyond her years.

But here's where it gets sticky. Angela has an "old soul" compared to Indil, but it's still a question of whether the memories of Angela's future will have any effect on Indil. Perhaps there is some kind of magical/spiritual "time-release" such that the initial lucidity in the glade disappears and as Indil grows up, more of Angela's mind and memory and wisdom wake up into her, matching her years.

But here's where it gets even stickier. Is Roy an Elf? That calls into question his parentage in modern times; after all, his lineage has had the span of years of humans for time untold. Is Roy a Human with a suddenly woken up Elven fëa? If so, how does that mesh with his modern experience with all its connections (such as his Christianity)? Assuming, for the sake of this story, that Roy really was Imrazor and has been (by special dispensation) reincarnated for the purposes of the Mysterious One, I can imagine Raefindan reuniting with Mithrellas and them adopting Indil as their daughter. Maybe that will work. Raefindan/Imrazor can eventually die at a ripe old age, being in a Human body (he can last with an Elven fëa because of the power he brings with him from his Faith), and so not "cross over against" his Roy Edwards persona. Can't have the poor bloke in two places at once.

What do you think, Fea? Happy enough ending? Are there any holes in it?

Oh yeah, I almost forgot. Tharonwë. I'm leaning toward no redemption. I can see him having a Saruman-like death.

One final thing. My storytelling energy is at an ebb at the moment, as I am again ill with some nasty bug that has me weak in body if not in mental planning; but story writing is different, and I'm tired. I'll write as soon as I feel up to it.

Feanor of the Peredhil · 03-30-2008, 08:23 PM

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it's still a question of whether the memories of Angela's future will have any effect on Indil. Perhaps there is some kind of magical/spiritual "time-release" such that the initial lucidity in the glade disappears and as Indil grows up, more of Angela's mind and memory and wisdom wake up into her, matching her years.

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I can imagine Raefindan reuniting with Mithrellas and them adopting Indil as their daughter.

Say Raefindan reunites with Mithrellas and adopts Indil, who grows up to be incredibly Angela-esque: where does Roy Edwards's feelings for Angela fit into this? In his incarnation as Mithrellas's lover, do the romantic inclinations of Roy dissipate? I can see them raising Indil, certainly, as Indil is a human descendant of Mithrellas and Imrazor anyhow, and that makes total sense. But with the presence of Angela in her, I'm worried it complicates the situation...

littlemanpoet · 03-31-2008, 08:53 AM

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Say Raefindan reunites with Mithrellas and adopts Indil, who grows up to be incredibly Angela-esque: where does Roy Edwards's feelings for Angela fit into this? In his incarnation as Mithrellas's lover, do the romantic inclinations of Roy dissipate? I can see them raising Indil, certainly, as Indil is a human descendant of Mithrellas and Imrazor anyhow, and that makes total sense. But with the presence of Angela in her, I'm worried it complicates the situation...

Let it do so. No-one ever said story resolutions don't have their "next story" possibilities. I think it would make for a fascinating tale, don't you?

Feanor of the Peredhil · 03-31-2008, 11:38 AM

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I think it would make for a fascinating tale, don't you?

Yes. But if we ever do a specialized sequel... can it wait a few years?

littlemanpoet · 03-31-2008, 05:10 PM

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Yes. But if we ever do a specialized sequel... can it wait a few years?

Certainly. But that means that I'll have to bug you in a few years and ask if you want to write it.

mark12_30 · 03-31-2008, 07:12 PM

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Oh yeah, I almost forgot. Tharonwë. I'm leaning toward no redemption. I can see him having a Saruman-like death.

Hmm, from your latest post methinks you have sniffed something out that I meant to stay hid. Perhaps 'twill be even better with Tharonwe woven in to the finale.

littlemanpoet · 04-01-2008, 08:55 AM

Fea, my thoughts exactly.

Helen: huh?!? Something I sniffed out? What, that Amroth and Nimrodel are united in the Halls of Mandos? Well son of a gun! Or is that wrong? Do tell!!!

mark12_30 · 04-02-2008, 07:57 PM

Well, yeah, what you said. The thing is, Nimrodel is too broken to take ship alone. Amroth can't take her, because he can't "take" Mellondu. Erebemlin could escort her there I suppose but his heart is in Middle-earth now, with Marigold. Anyway, she's too messed up. Mithrellas could take her but Mithrellas has Roy Edwards, on the other hand, to deal with. Or something.

Nimrodel needs a new start; a rebirth. That she can have, if she dies; her rebirth (reincarnation, via new parents, and a new family, elvish style) will be a healing experience for her. And Amroth will then be free to do the same. THey will have a lovely future, all healed up and young again.

THe trick is getting Nimrodel to finally die and go to Mandos. (Amroth is still there, really, having drownded quite thoroughly.) And since elves can only either be killed, or die of a broken heart, well, we have some options for getting Nimrodel to join him. I had planned on the broken-heart bit. But we can discuss it.

littlemanpoet · 04-03-2008, 08:50 AM

Hmmm... so that means Tharonwë is not thinking clearly, or he would know that sending Nimrodel to Mandos is merely sending her to Amroth. Would Tharonwe be that foolish? Is evil that blind? I suppose so, once bitterness and hatred take over that completely. I guess it works, rather neatly. Feels like almost too neatly.

So does Tharonwe try to kill Mellondu himself? That was his original intention.

03-29-2008, 07:48 PM	#1
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	When they do arrive, I will be focused on big stress between Amroth and the mad Nimrodel. They will reunite, sort of-- but it will not be an easy reunion, not cheerful-looking at all, not particularly uplifting for any of the mortals involved. And there will be serious stress in Mellondu's heart, who has also fallen for the Nimrodel that Amroth once knew. No happy ending there. THose are my two main foci. What are everyone else's plans? Anyone has a happy ending for somebody? I do have happy ending planned for Mellonin and Ravion. And Nethwador and Bella can be happy too. Erebemlin will go back to Marigold. Avarien will find peace. __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

03-30-2008, 04:20 PM	#3
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Ædegard and Leafa will get their happy ending. Jorje is already happy, and will remain so no matter what, considering present company. Raefindan is a tricky one. My plan used to be that he "Enoch'd" out of modern day life but got detoured by the Hand of Eru to this here and now, and that once his task was performed, he would continue to his Enoch adventure. However, with the advent of his Imrazor-ness and the possibility that he is actually an Elf in (what he thought was ) a Human body, radically changes everything. With Angela as Indil's "soul", when Indil arrives at the glade, there will be an immediate joining and Indil will think thoughts and speak words beyond her years. But here's where it gets sticky. Angela has an "old soul" compared to Indil, but it's still a question of whether the memories of Angela's future will have any effect on Indil. Perhaps there is some kind of magical/spiritual "time-release" such that the initial lucidity in the glade disappears and as Indil grows up, more of Angela's mind and memory and wisdom wake up into her, matching her years. But here's where it gets even stickier. Is Roy an Elf? That calls into question his parentage in modern times; after all, his lineage has had the span of years of humans for time untold. Is Roy a Human with a suddenly woken up Elven fëa? If so, how does that mesh with his modern experience with all its connections (such as his Christianity)? Assuming, for the sake of this story, that Roy really was Imrazor and has been (by special dispensation) reincarnated for the purposes of the Mysterious One, I can imagine Raefindan reuniting with Mithrellas and them adopting Indil as their daughter. Maybe that will work. Raefindan/Imrazor can eventually die at a ripe old age, being in a Human body (he can last with an Elven fëa because of the power he brings with him from his Faith), and so not "cross over against" his Roy Edwards persona. Can't have the poor bloke in two places at once. What do you think, Fea? Happy enough ending? Are there any holes in it? Oh yeah, I almost forgot. Tharonwë. I'm leaning toward no redemption. I can see him having a Saruman-like death. One final thing. My storytelling energy is at an ebb at the moment, as I am again ill with some nasty bug that has me weak in body if not in mental planning; but story writing is different, and I'm tired. I'll write as soon as I feel up to it. Last edited by littlemanpoet; 03-30-2008 at 04:25 PM.

04-02-2008, 07:57 PM	#10
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	Well, yeah, what you said. The thing is, Nimrodel is too broken to take ship alone. Amroth can't take her, because he can't "take" Mellondu. Erebemlin could escort her there I suppose but his heart is in Middle-earth now, with Marigold. Anyway, she's too messed up. Mithrellas could take her but Mithrellas has Roy Edwards, on the other hand, to deal with. Or something. Nimrodel needs a new start; a rebirth. That she can have, if she dies; her rebirth (reincarnation, via new parents, and a new family, elvish style) will be a healing experience for her. And Amroth will then be free to do the same. THey will have a lovely future, all healed up and young again. THe trick is getting Nimrodel to finally die and go to Mandos. (Amroth is still there, really, having drownded quite thoroughly.) And since elves can only either be killed, or die of a broken heart, well, we have some options for getting Nimrodel to join him. I had planned on the broken-heart bit. But we can discuss it. __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve. Last edited by mark12_30; 04-02-2008 at 08:01 PM. Reason: seplling

04-01-2008, 08:55 AM	#9
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Fea, my thoughts exactly. Helen: huh?!? Something I sniffed out? What, that Amroth and Nimrodel are united in the Halls of Mandos? Well son of a gun! Or is that wrong? Do tell!!!

04-03-2008, 08:50 AM	#11
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Hmmm... so that means Tharonwë is not thinking clearly, or he would know that sending Nimrodel to Mandos is merely sending her to Amroth. Would Tharonwe be that foolish? Is evil that blind? I suppose so, once bitterness and hatred take over that completely. I guess it works, rather neatly. Feels like almost too neatly. So does Tharonwe try to kill Mellondu himself? That was his original intention.