Seven Stars, Seven Stones and One White Tree... - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Gordis · 03-13-2008, 04:02 PM

That was Elendilmir, a jewel on a silver fillet, used like of a crown- a simbol of royalty in Arnor.

The one Aragorn had was made for Valandil of Arnor because the original one had been lost with his father Isildur. Later Aragorn found the first one in Saruman's hoard in Orthanc (UT).

mark12_30 · 03-13-2008, 05:00 PM

Wow, cool. I had forgotten/not absorbed that (langsyne since I read UT.) But what hinders those/that from being the seven stars?

Just wondering.

Gordis · 03-13-2008, 05:20 PM

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But what hinders those/that from being the seven stars?

The fact that it was single, I think

The star-shaped brooch of the Rangers, however, possibly represents Elendilmir, though I gave no proof for that.

mark12_30 · 03-13-2008, 06:30 PM

Okay, I should have said what hinders Aragorn's star from being ONE of the seven stars.

There does seem to be a theme-- Smith of Wooten Major wore a star on his brow at times. Not that that one came from Numenor....

Gordis · 03-14-2008, 12:15 AM

"what hinders Aragorn's star from being ONE of the seven stars?"
We don't know of six others. Aragorn's star was unique, a symbol of Royalty, like a crown.

Mithalwen · 03-14-2008, 04:03 PM

Surely the Sickle of the Vala is "The Plough" - the most obvious constellation of the Northern Sky?

Ardent · 01-18-2013, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Gordis

"what hinders Aragorn's star from being ONE of the seven stars?"
We don't know of six others. Aragorn's star was unique, a symbol of Royalty, like a crown.

According to Bilbo's poem 'Earendil Was A Mariner', the star on Earendil's crown is the last of the three Silmarils [thanks for the edit Aganzir]. Aragorn instructed Bilbo to place a green gem on Earendil's breast, thus placing himself in the picture since this is what he wears.

It is unclear whether the actual jewel in his crown is the very star of Earendil, or just an emblem, but it is identified in the index of 'Lord of the Rings' (under star, as emblem) as a diamond shaped star on the banner of Gondor, along with the six other stars of Elendil and his captains.

Aganzir · 01-18-2013, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Ardent

According to Bilbo's poem 'Earendil Was A Mariner', the star on Earendil's crown is the last of the three Palantiri.

No it's actually the last of the three Silmarils. Of the Palantíri there were seven.

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It is unclear whether the actual jewel in his crown is the very star of Earendil, or just an emblem, but it is identified in the index of 'Lord of the Rings' (under star, as emblem) as a diamond shaped star on the banner of Gondor, along with the six other stars of Elendil and his captains.

I have no references, but I believe the descendents of Eärendil might just have happened to be very keen on green jewels after his little trip.

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03-13-2008, 05:00 PM	#2
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	Wow, cool. I had forgotten/not absorbed that (langsyne since I read UT.) But what hinders those/that from being the seven stars? Just wondering. __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

03-13-2008, 06:30 PM	#4
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	Okay, I should have said what hinders Aragorn's star from being ONE of the seven stars. There does seem to be a theme-- Smith of Wooten Major wore a star on his brow at times. Not that that one came from Numenor.... __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

03-14-2008, 04:03 PM	#6
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Surely the Sickle of the Vala is "The Plough" - the most obvious constellation of the Northern Sky? __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

03-13-2008, 04:02 PM	#1
Gordis Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Minas Morgul Posts: 431	That was Elendilmir, a jewel on a silver fillet, used like of a crown- a simbol of royalty in Arnor. The one Aragorn had was made for Valandil of Arnor because the original one had been lost with his father Isildur. Later Aragorn found the first one in Saruman's hoard in Orthanc (UT).

03-14-2008, 12:15 AM	#5
Gordis Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Minas Morgul Posts: 431	"what hinders Aragorn's star from being ONE of the seven stars?" We don't know of six others. Aragorn's star was unique, a symbol of Royalty, like a crown.