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Old 02-23-2008, 11:04 PM   #1
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I'm pretty sure that the seven stars are simply a heraldic device used by the Elendili. I can't think why seven stars would refer to nine ships...
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Old 02-24-2008, 12:03 AM   #2
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I find it strange that JRRT never bothered to explain the Seven Stars when the other two objects(Stones and White Tree) held such importance in the story. When I first read it, I assumed it referred to the Elendimir(Star of Elendil), or to the fact that Numenor resembled a seven-pointed star, but it seems that's not the case.
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Old 02-24-2008, 12:05 AM   #3
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Besides, Numenor resembles, if anything, a five-pointed star. (Did someone mention that already? I'm too lazy to read the entire thread.)
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Old 02-24-2008, 12:44 AM   #4
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Actually, to theorize, I've always wondered if the seven stars of the heraldic device were meant to symbolize the Sickle of the Valar, which Varda set in the heavens as a warning to Melkor, thus indicating that the house of Elendil was still faithful to the Valar and opposed to Melkor and Sauron. It did have seven stars, after all.
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Old 02-24-2008, 09:22 PM   #5
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Hey, that's a fun idea. It's speculation, obviously, but it could work.
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Quenta Silmarillion 19, Of Beren and Lśthien
"And in answer he sang a song of challenge that he had made in praise of the Seven Stars, the Sickle of the Valar that Varda hung above the North as a sign for the fall of Morgoth."
I believe the seven stars is a constallation in the sky that simbled the fall of Morgoth.
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Old 02-25-2008, 04:22 PM   #7
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Probably barking up the wrong tree here, but I have a vague memory that the Seven Stars were derived from one of the elven 'coats of arms' (as sometimes shown in various copies of the Sil). Can anyone confirm? I'm Sil-less at the mo! No doubt the elven symbols were originally derived from Elbereth's stars.
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