Werewolf XLII, Mist in the Barrow Downs

[satansaloser2005]

Hmmmmm. Alrighty then. It seems as though everyone has gone to bed, or whatever it is you do at this time of day/night. I'm going to head to bed. Unless my phone dies in the night, I'll be back to vote, hopefully with Shasta in tow. :P

Night all

[Nerwen]

If the stone burial chamber had seemed forbidding before, it was doubly so now that Nerwen was alone in it.

"Or– am I?" She glanced quickly over her shoulder. Had she seen a flicker of movement out of the corner of her eye? A trace, perhaps, of something furry? "Just imagining things," she decided.

Shivering with more than just the cold, she continued, "Seems I'm talking to myself here... They say it's the first sign of madness. Ah well. Can't be helped."

Now, as to Rikae– I share her frustration with the way toDay has gone. We seem to have spent most of it debating possible Mac-Rikae scenarios, and not much else. The thing is, though, that much of that is due to Rikae herself, arguing on and on and on and making herself look worse and worse in the process.

The general impression I’m getting is that their main goal is simply to keep each other alive at all costs. By which I mean, more than you’d expect even from a pair of wolves.

So what’s going on? Is RL playing a part?

Is it possible that Farael has included secret roles (e.g. Lovers)?

Is Sally on to something when she suggests:

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Yes, I did say that it was possible, even probable that they were werewolves together. Why is that conceivable? Because no one would guess that they would do something so obvious as to vote together and watch each other's backs, etc.

This is worth thinking about. They're certainly bold enough to try a double-bluff– and dare we ignore the fact that both Mac-voters are now dead? (But of course, it could as easily be a frame-up.)

I will look at some other people next.

Edit: X'd with Macalaure.

[Nerwen]

To clarify something in my previous post, when I say "a frame-up" I am of course talking about Lommy's death.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Something strikes me wrong about Legate. I cannot put my finger on it yet. I think that Rikae raised some good points on him in #184 which might get overlooked because of her defensiveness.

Are you referring to this?:

Originally Posted by Rikae

For me, the most evil looking players here are those who repeat others' words, or give flimsy reasons to suspect those already suspected - those are wolvish behaviors, and the parties most guilty of this are Greenie and Legate.

It's a thought. I'll have a look at those two.

[Macalaure]

I don't see the sense in Sally's post #201. If Rikae and I were wolves, it would make perfect sense that she's the third one. I know of course that the premise is wrong, but her argument is not valid in my opinion. Not only because of this Sally no longer gives me that innocent feeling anymore. I can't elaborate at the moment (ooc: I'll be posting from my office til the deadline).

Originally Posted by Rikae

I am getting so fed up with this game. I'm really on the verge of quitting - I mean, what's the point? I talk and talk, and everyone ignores me.

No reason to quit. Things like that have happened to many others before, too. Frustrating, yes, but part of the game.

I see Shasta as innocent and sensible.


Right now I have a bunch of semi-suspects (Legate, Lily, Nerwen, Sally), but nothing solid. Unfortunately, while being around, I won't have the opportunity to look into anything more deeply...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Oh my, who is supposed to read romans like that?

Okay, following what I picked during the course of reading and noted down, so there may be a little mess in it:

I think Noggins makes good sense, only is somewhat unnecessarily picky in his analysis of Nerwen. Things like this:

Originally Posted by Nogrod

There's nothing to apologise for with RL-emergencies but why add the clock thing?

Why not? I don't see anything on that and if it is not anything (and I doubt it is), then why are you mentioning it?

Good to see both Shasta and McCaber is participating more now, and they look that they are trying at least to be helpful. I don't notice anything particularly suspicious on either of them, but still, if possible, I'd like to see more input from them.

I find it hard to make any opinions on Nerwen and LG. I would like to see them posting more, as it is hard to make much about them from the little they post.

All right, now I am getting to the part about Rikae. First and foremost, Rikae, I would like to say that I don't mean anything here against you personally and so I hope you also do not/did not take anything I say/said offensively, because anyway, I don't mean it like that - I am merely stating my in-game opinions (and if I seem to hold to an opinion that is different from yours, you can simply say to yourself: "well, he obviously is totally out of his mind" and that's it).

I am not sure where Rikae took the suspicion of me from. I just wanted to write that her post #175 looks innocentish to me, and then I read this.

Originally Posted by Rikae

He has a way about him that seems to twist people's intentions and describe situations in slanted ways.

May I ask what exactly did I seem to twist, or what I described in slanted ways?

Originally Posted by Rikae

Actually, I've been wondering how this "meme" of "a wolf among the Aganzir voters" got started, so I think I'll look a little closer at its development.

I said it's probable not because I'd agree with Gwath. I think his explanation is somewhat too easy, I mean, I find it somewhat improbable that wolves would say: "This one suspects us, let's kill him." It will immediately point to them. This is also what I meant when replying to Mac - and that I hope to be the final answer to your question, Mac - that the primary reason was not simply "Hullo guys, I need to get rid of someone". Speaking of it, the way Mac kept bringing up this makes me think that it is on purpose and that there may be indeed double-bluffing by saying "It would point to me".

Originally Posted by Rikae

Yeah, sure, but was there, as I said before, any more reason to think Agan was the seer than that Sally, Shasta, Menel or Gwath was? Not that I can see. This is not an argument at all, but amid all the mist that seems to be floating around toDay, it passes for one.

Oh my, what's THIS? Rikae, you either totally misunderstood me, or you are simply twisting the facts! I was not saying Agan was voted for because someone thought she was the Seer. I spoke about the danger of such voting happening IF the voted person were a Seer. This was totally unrelated to the topic. What are you trying to make of it?

And Rikae, I am not "dead certain" that there is a wolf among Agan-voters, I only said I find it likely. If only statistically.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Is it possible that Farael has included secret roles (e.g. Lovers)?

In the rules there is plainly written "no twists", so I think it's safe to assume there's nothing like that.

Okay... there has been a lot said and I can't react to everything. I hope to have time to go through everything yet, but for now, my main suspicion stays where it was with Mac and I hope to have some responses from Rikae. However, and this is what I would like to end, it has been rightly pointed out here that we should not concentrate only on several subjects, as there has been a lot going on toDay only around some people, and wolves may be hiding also elsewhere. That much I acknowledge and I hope now to heed this myself and look more deeply on those I have less idea about.

[Meneltarmacil]

I think I'll vote somewhat early; most of my points have been said already and mornings aren't exactly the best times to analyze things.

I'm quite convinced that

++Rikae

is a Werewolf here.

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Legate

Oh my, who is supposed to read romans like that?

Originally Posted by Legate

I'd like to see more input from them.
..
I would like to see them posting more

This just made me grin.

RL is keeping me from elaborating on it. I can only say now that I don't find Legate's points too convincing. I'll say more about it tomorrow if I still live and it's still relevant.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

I find it hard to make any opinions on Nerwen and LG. I would like to see them posting more, as it is hard to make much about them from the little they post.

What? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!