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Old 02-01-2008, 09:47 AM   #1
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This is an excellent observation. And very true. Being an American, I have always found it disturbing and somehwat confusing that every other British book or film somehow, someway ends up being about social class. In something like the excellent REMAINS OF THE DAY its well and good because that is the essence of the story. But from a non-Britishers perspective it is way overused in too many books and films. Here in America, everything was supposed to be structured to negate the entire idea of social class and placing people in a heirarchy and comparing them as better or lesser than others. I imagine that New Zealand, is similar. When the books were adapted by someone other than a British director, it was probably inevitable that the strict social class boundaries would be lessened somewhat- both because of their own upbringing and as a nod to the potential worldwide audience.

Sam is still in a serving position and not the equal of "Mr. Frodo" as he is nearly always adressed by him. But it was good he was not turned into some sort of Gunga Din character.
I don't get it. . . You don't like class and heirarchy and therefor you want them out of the movies?
Anyways I do belive that most countries are not in denial about social classes, so maybe it was left out to please the american and a few other nations viewers. . .

I think I shall stay out of the actuall discution of this thread as I always hated Sam. . . he really annoys me.
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Old 02-01-2008, 10:09 AM   #2
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I think I shall stay out of the actuall discution of this thread as I always hated Sam. . . he really annoys me.
*gasp* How can you hate Sam?! In the books he's the best, most adorable, couragous, humble, best...oh, I've already said that. He's my favorite character, in the books.

In the movies he was one of the best adaptions in the first movie, but by the time the third came out, they really missed their mark and turned him into a brutal, angry hobbit who was frustrated with the journey and with Frodo and took all his frustration out on Gollum.

I think they should have kept the class difference and the hierarchy in the movies, especially with Sam. He calls him Mr. or Master Frodo mayby three times in the first movie, and then not at all in the others. Well, okay, more than three times, but most of the time, he just calls him Frodo. Whereas in the books...lol...maybe he calls him Frodo a couple times, but usually it's Mr. Frodo or just plain Master, which, in my (humble) opinion makes him so much a nicer, better character, because he is a servant and knows it and wants to be. Talk about a run on sentence.

So, Is Sam Justly Done? Halfway so and halfway not. Certainly better than Gimli or Aragorn or Frodo, but not as well as Boromir and Eowyn.
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Old 02-01-2008, 10:15 AM   #3
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I don't get it. . . You don't like class and heirarchy and therefor you want them out of the movies?
I do not believe I said that. Here is what I said about adapting the class distinctions part of the book to film

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Old 02-01-2008, 05:21 PM   #4
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I had fewer problems with Sam in the movies than I did other characters, but I thought they had him being too cruel to Gollum in the movies. That was my biggest complaint.

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Old 02-01-2008, 06:13 PM   #5
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Old 02-03-2008, 01:30 PM   #6
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I actually liked Sam a lot in the movies. I didn't get any sense of fat and brainless. He was a bit heavy, but he was actually the closest to hobbit-shaped as Tolkien envisioned them, I think. He generally didn't come off as stupid as much as uneducated, and he had that intelligence of the heart and trueness of spirit that I loved so much in the book.

I do think that he's too violent to Gollum, though. Most everyone is, in the movies. I guess that perhaps distrust isn't interesting unless someone acts on it?
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