Werewolf XLII: The meaning of life forever

[Aganzir]

Oh gosh, I was so sure you were a seer or some other nasty thing. And I actually felt almost bad lynching you! That was just wonderfully played.

[Thinlómien]

McCaber, you were awesome.

Sally, thank you so much for saving and posting those! However, it seems you've posted one PM of mine twice and marked the change of Night incorrectly... but those are minor details...

I will write a longer ramble about my feelings/thoughts/misfortunes later, so watch out...

[McCaber]

Thanks, ladies. Just goes to show that even a newb knows what's up from time to time.

Eat that, village! Boo-yah! Who's the cobbler? I'm the cobbler!

Ok, celebration over.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by McCaber

Thanks, ladies. Just goes to show that even a newb knows what's up from time to time.

Eat that, village! Boo-yah! Who's the cobbler? I'm the cobbler!

Ok, celebration over.

Really? hmmmm I took you for an ordo. In that case, EXTREMELY nicely done my friend. And thanks!



I made a whoopsie? No problem I shall fix. Soon as I figure out what was wrong....lol

[Isabellkya]

I assume that everyone is able to post since the game is over. Don't have much to say.

Great concept on the game Volo, and thanks for hosting!!

Congrats wolves on a victory!! .... yet the overabundance of gloating leaves a bit of a bad taste in my mouth.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Congrats wolves on a victory!! .... yet the overabundance of gloating leaves a bit of a bad taste in my mouth.

Sorry Izzy. I think we're so excited because at the game's onset we were sure we were toast.

[A Little Green]

Toast to (us) wolves! *tosses THE little green hat* Great game chaps!

Originally Posted by Aganzir

By the way, I've been a wolf in half of the games I've played now

Well that's honourable enough, but how about being a wolf in all the games I've played in? (two, that is)

Thanks for the game. Enjoyed it.

[Rikae]

Well, l may have been a seer who not only got a hunter lynched, but got herself killed in the process, but at least I can take comfort in one thing:
I knew who almost all of the wolves were.
On day 0.7, I told Mac my predictions from the trial days, and they were:

Valier
McCaber (oops)
Aganzir
Lommy
Sally
Azaelia (also oops)
Greenie

Unfortunately, I dreamt of Lommy on Night 1, because I thought when Volo said he would tell the seer whether the person was innocent, he meant "ordo or gifted" as innocent, and I figured Lommy had to be either gifted or a wolf. When I got the answer, I found that Volo meant "ordo" by "innocent", so my dream was pretty much wasted when Volo told me "Lommy is not an ordo." He also told me it was interesting that I chose her, though, so when Lommy "revealed" as the seer, I suddenly thought "that's why he said it was interesting! I dreamt of the other seer!" - and therefore, I tried to act in such a way as to protect her if she was the seer, while still getting her killed as a wolf.
Unfortunately, Nogrod didn't cooperate - actually, his threats toward the end of day 1 had me almost totally convinced he was the wolf.

Oh well - good game everyone, and my apologies to the village for blundering the way I did...

[Aganzir]

Thanks to Volo for the game. The idea was interesting but too unbalanced, I think. It took only one mis-lynch and suddenly a game that looked impossible to win became impossible to lose.
But the narrations were funny (thanks also to Leggie).

I'm sorry about my trial day, I wasn't lying low deliberately or anything, I was just so unbelievably tired that I didn't quite have the energy to post anything.

Thanks for my wolfy team. Despite the early losses we managed quite well, and, as Lommy put it, we had a great team spirit and hilarious discussions.
By the way, I've been a wolf in half of the games I've played now (and a cobbler once). Quite nice.

I'll post more when I know all the roles & something else occurs to me.

[Volo]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

The idea was interesting but too unbalanced, I think. It took only one mis-lynch and suddenly a game that looked impossible to win became impossible to lose.

If anybody wants to discuss the subject with me, please do!

Personally I don't think the game was unbalanced, on the contrary, I really liked the way it worked out. Of course, it may look different through the eyes of the mod, but I think that there were no obvious flaws here unlike in the first game I modded (WW32).

Although I didn't forsee it, it now seems that this was an extremely demanding game. I feel bad for having "scared off" three players in midgame.

My original idea was to turn a game completely wrong-way round and include a great big lot of Wolves. Soon I understood that it would need many Gifteds to balance it up. They had to be modified of course, not to cause nasty situations such as a Seer finding out everybody's roles in just a few Nights or the Rangers protecting the Seer in turns. After a few test-games with a die and cards I decided on 3 Defenders, 2 Protectors, 1 Guardian and 1 Cousellor.
That was why the real game didn't work so well. Even though one can't take everything into account with just a die and cards (such as "Seer reveals", "Wolf also reveals" and "Wolf is believed") I got it somehow balanced.
Well the problem was that I assumed that everybody would participate at least moderately. And so even allowing players to choose on which day they would play their trial Day. That didn't solve everything - like you know.
Another factor I didn't forsee was that the Innocents (yes, I regard an "Innocent" the same as an "Ordo") would be more prone to get lynched for participating less and vigorously fighting for their lives even if it meant lynching a possible Gifted.
And then again, the roles turned out like that... (I'll reveal them after I've written a narration) In most cases it became a fight between Wolves and Specials.
As a mod and a Volo, things like Day1 seemed impossible. My personal experience including posing a Seer as a Wolf and being a Seer when Mac posed a Wolf. (If you remember a game where a Wolf revealed before a Gifted, please tell me.) At the beginning of stage2 I was very happy for having the game balanced. Both the Wolves and the goodies felt like they were in a tight spot and overpowered by the others. It could have ended either way, and even though Day1 had a lot of effect, it could still went either way after that. But not after what did happen!

In conclusion, I think that this kind of game would work out really well if all players had the time to participate and used it. It might be unreal, as this was a demanding game, especially as it was the first try. But that is exactly what I like in experimental games - there are no ready models what-so-ever, it can go any way and one just has to make crazy theories at times.

The concept of WW32 didn't work out well and although we did come to good ideas about improving it, I lost interest in it. It may be that I'll try to mod a new version of it, but not soon.
This game however looked better. Please, help me improve it and give your thoughts! Even though I defend the rules now, I'm not too blind to deny faults.

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I'll post more thoughts on this actual game later, after I've read the thread again. It may take some time.


EDIT: Xd with Lily and Rikae