Werewolf XLII: The meaning of life forever - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Thinlómien · 01-26-2008, 02:53 PM

So we can gloat? I say YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!

I never thought I'd enjoy wolfing some day, but I did, at least from time to time. Mostly thanks to my awesome fellows, we had a great team spirit and our nightly discussions were hilarious.

But I still prefer being all nice & innocent, suits me better as I'm afraid I'm very bad at being dishonest.

satansaloser2005 · 01-26-2008, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Thinlómien

So we can gloat? I say YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!

I never thought I'd enjoy wolfing some day, but I did, at least from time to time. Mostly thanks to my awesome fellows, we had a great team spirit and our nightly discussions were hilarious.

But I still prefer being all nice & innocent, suits me better as I'm afraid I'm very bad at being dishonest.

Ah, but you're good at being evil too, as we can plainly see! I'm all for gloating as well, but the only ones here are our fellows. Pity really. Well, I am in need of some sustenance (aka I'm starving!) so I'll be back in about an hour or so. Well done my lupine ladies!

McCaber · 01-26-2008, 03:17 PM

Nicely done ladies! I was indeed the cobbler. My investigations revealed that Roa was a werewolf (I felt bad after hearing that) and that Legate was indeed innocent.

I see I was just suspicious enough to be lynched at the right time. I like it when a plan comes together like that.

This was my first werewolf game here, but I've played it many a time with friends and read through a good amount of the games here. Thanks for making it a good one.

Aganzir · 01-26-2008, 03:24 PM

Oh gosh, I was so sure you were a seer or some other nasty thing.

And I actually felt almost bad lynching you! That was just wonderfully played.

Thinlómien · 01-26-2008, 03:28 PM

McCaber, you were awesome.

Sally, thank you so much for saving and posting those!

However, it seems you've posted one PM of mine twice and marked the change of Night incorrectly... but those are minor details...

I will write a longer ramble about my feelings/thoughts/misfortunes later, so watch out...

McCaber · 01-26-2008, 03:32 PM

Thanks, ladies. Just goes to show that even a newb knows what's up from time to time.

Eat that, village! Boo-yah! Who's the cobbler? I'm the cobbler!

Ok, celebration over.

satansaloser2005 · 01-26-2008, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by McCaber

Thanks, ladies. Just goes to show that even a newb knows what's up from time to time.

Eat that, village! Boo-yah! Who's the cobbler? I'm the cobbler!

Ok, celebration over.

Really? hmmmm I took you for an ordo. In that case, EXTREMELY nicely done my friend. And thanks!

I made a whoopsie? No problem I shall fix. Soon as I figure out what was wrong....lol

Aganzir · 01-26-2008, 03:34 PM

Thanks to Volo for the game. The idea was interesting but too unbalanced, I think. It took only one mis-lynch and suddenly a game that looked impossible to win became impossible to lose.
But the narrations were funny (thanks also to Leggie).

I'm sorry about my trial day, I wasn't lying low deliberately or anything, I was just so unbelievably tired that I didn't quite have the energy to post anything.

Thanks for my wolfy team. Despite the early losses we managed quite well, and, as Lommy put it, we had a great team spirit and hilarious discussions.

By the way, I've been a wolf in half of the games I've played now (and a cobbler once). Quite nice.

I'll post more when I know all the roles & something else occurs to me.

Volo · 01-26-2008, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Aganzir

The idea was interesting but too unbalanced, I think. It took only one mis-lynch and suddenly a game that looked impossible to win became impossible to lose.

If anybody wants to discuss the subject with me, please do!

Personally I don't think the game was unbalanced, on the contrary, I really liked the way it worked out. Of course, it may look different through the eyes of the mod, but I think that there were no obvious flaws here unlike in the first game I modded (WW32).

Although I didn't forsee it, it now seems that this was an extremely demanding game. I feel bad for having "scared off" three players in midgame.

My original idea was to turn a game completely wrong-way round and include a great big lot of Wolves. Soon I understood that it would need many Gifteds to balance it up. They had to be modified of course, not to cause nasty situations such as a Seer finding out everybody's roles in just a few Nights or the Rangers protecting the Seer in turns. After a few test-games with a die and cards I decided on 3 Defenders, 2 Protectors, 1 Guardian and 1 Cousellor.
That was why the real game didn't work so well. Even though one can't take everything into account with just a die and cards (such as "Seer reveals", "Wolf also reveals" and "Wolf is believed") I got it somehow balanced.
Well the problem was that I assumed that everybody would participate at least moderately. And so even allowing players to choose on which day they would play their trial Day. That didn't solve everything - like you know.
Another factor I didn't forsee was that the Innocents (yes, I regard an "Innocent" the same as an "Ordo") would be more prone to get lynched for participating less and vigorously fighting for their lives even if it meant lynching a possible Gifted.
And then again, the roles turned out like that... (I'll reveal them after I've written a narration) In most cases it became a fight between Wolves and Specials.
As a mod and a Volo, things like Day1 seemed impossible. My personal experience including posing a Seer as a Wolf and being a Seer when Mac posed a Wolf. (If you remember a game where a Wolf revealed before a Gifted, please tell me.) At the beginning of stage2 I was very happy for having the game balanced. Both the Wolves and the goodies felt like they were in a tight spot and overpowered by the others. It could have ended either way, and even though Day1 had a lot of effect, it could still went either way after that. But not after what did happen!

In conclusion, I think that this kind of game would work out really well if all players had the time to participate and used it. It might be unreal, as this was a demanding game, especially as it was the first try. But that is exactly what I like in experimental games - there are no ready models what-so-ever, it can go any way and one just has to make crazy theories at times.

The concept of WW32 didn't work out well and although we did come to good ideas about improving it, I lost interest in it. It may be that I'll try to mod a new version of it, but not soon.
This game however looked better. Please, help me improve it and give your thoughts! Even though I defend the rules now, I'm not too blind to deny faults.

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I'll post more thoughts on this actual game later, after I've read the thread again. It may take some time.

EDIT: Xd with Lily and Rikae

01-26-2008, 02:53 PM	#1
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	So we can gloat? I say YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!! I never thought I'd enjoy wolfing some day, but I did, at least from time to time. Mostly thanks to my awesome fellows, we had a great team spirit and our nightly discussions were hilarious. But I still prefer being all nice & innocent, suits me better as I'm afraid I'm very bad at being dishonest. __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

01-26-2008, 03:17 PM	#3
McCaber Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Skyrim, again. Posts: 820	Nicely done ladies! I was indeed the cobbler. My investigations revealed that Roa was a werewolf (I felt bad after hearing that) and that Legate was indeed innocent. I see I was just suspicious enough to be lynched at the right time. I like it when a plan comes together like that. This was my first werewolf game here, but I've played it many a time with friends and read through a good amount of the games here. Thanks for making it a good one. __________________ Werewolves vs. Fishmen. The battle of the century.

01-26-2008, 03:24 PM	#4
Aganzir Woman of Secret Shadow Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: in hollow halls beneath the fells Posts: 4,511	Oh gosh, I was so sure you were a seer or some other nasty thing. And I actually felt almost bad lynching you! That was just wonderfully played. __________________ He bit me, and I was not gentle.

01-26-2008, 03:28 PM	#5
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	McCaber, you were awesome. Sally, thank you so much for saving and posting those! However, it seems you've posted one PM of mine twice and marked the change of Night incorrectly... but those are minor details... I will write a longer ramble about my feelings/thoughts/misfortunes later, so watch out... __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

01-26-2008, 03:32 PM	#6
McCaber Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Skyrim, again. Posts: 820	Thanks, ladies. Just goes to show that even a newb knows what's up from time to time. Eat that, village! Boo-yah! Who's the cobbler? I'm the cobbler! Ok, celebration over. __________________ Werewolves vs. Fishmen. The battle of the century.

01-26-2008, 03:34 PM	#8
Aganzir Woman of Secret Shadow Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: in hollow halls beneath the fells Posts: 4,511	Some thoughts Thanks to Volo for the game. The idea was interesting but too unbalanced, I think. It took only one mis-lynch and suddenly a game that looked impossible to win became impossible to lose. But the narrations were funny (thanks also to Leggie). I'm sorry about my trial day, I wasn't lying low deliberately or anything, I was just so unbelievably tired that I didn't quite have the energy to post anything. Thanks for my wolfy team. Despite the early losses we managed quite well, and, as Lommy put it, we had a great team spirit and hilarious discussions. By the way, I've been a wolf in half of the games I've played now (and a cobbler once). Quite nice. I'll post more when I know all the roles & something else occurs to me. __________________ He bit me, and I was not gentle.