Werewolf XLII: The meaning of life forever

[Meneltarmacil]

The reason I revealed myself was to show why I thought Legate could be telling the truth, and to show that Valier is a possible wolf. Legate was very specific about being an Ordo, and I felt that revealing my role would help us catch the Wolf from that day. Of course, the possibility exists that Legate lied about his innocence, but with my role revealed the controversy of "Menel or Valier" ends and we have another "50/50 Wolf" with Valier.

[Naria]

Just got off work. This will be like last week. I will do a post before I go to bed, cast my vote before I go to work in the morning and not be around for the rest of the Day.

Looks like I have a bit to catch up on. Off to do some reading....

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Rikae

I don't particularly like the way Sally posted in the trial and is posting now. Sure, in-character is fine, but too much is too much - and I have an instinctive distrust for "cutesy"ness in a werewolf game. Her posts seem calculated to create an aura of harmlessness.

You know me. I like to enjoy myself. By the way, just a word of warning, sometimes I just feel the need to give myself a little in-character action, so I'll occasionally post a silly little thingy in character just to get myself into the game so I can actually post. But I'm not just going to do character stuff, as you now know.



Okey dokey, I've read the posts and decided myself three lists of suspect pairs. Bear with me, because they're a little out there and a bit underdeveloped right now but I haven't slept in like 24 hours so I'm a little loopy....er.

Noggie and Menel: Wow. If they both came out as gifteds and are really wolves, not to mention if they pull it off, well....again, wow. Doubting that this is the case, but if it is....kill me now wolves, kill me now. You're just too snazzy for little Miss Sally.

Lommie and McCaber: Lommie seems quite suspicious right now, and since I'm rather tired and McCaber is one of my other suspects for just acting odd and the whole not-voting thing on his day I'll pair them together for now. Not that I necessarily think they are wolves TOGETHER, but I am pretty certain that one, if not both, are.

Lommie and Valier: Might doesn't seem the type to kill himself and leave his wolfy cohorts, so I take him for an innocent. And I believe Noggie, because....well, because it's Noggie I guess. If I'm wrong, I'll eat my proverbial hat. Which means Lommie's the only wolf candidate left from their day. But, I've already covered Lommie a bit and so have a couple other people, so I'll just leave her be after that brief comment and try to get on to others. Val, for instance. Now, assuming that Menel is indeed what he says he is, I definitely think Val to be the wolf in the group. I've not played that much with Legate, but I don't believe he would make that much of a fuss if he was a wolf. Anyway, if Menel is the gifted and Legate was the innocent, that (as has been pointed out) leaves Valier as the wolf.

My favorite pairing, just based on how likely it is, is probably Lommie and Val. Val seems to be the odd wolf out of her battle day, and since Lommie has been acting strange today (well, stranger than usual hehe) I'd have to say that my preferred vote would be for Valier, unless evidence surfaces to support a better choice. If, however, Noggie turns out to not be what he claims (and the same with Menel) heaven help us all, because we will have lost two innocents (possibly gifteds) and not yet found a furry fiend. But I'm willing to take that risk since Noggie seems convincing and reasonable, and process of elimination seems to suggest that the two women in question are wolfies.

Wow, I'm actually semi-coherent for once. Ish.

[Isabellkya]

I am not trusting these 'reveals'. With Legate, I did find his behavior wolfy; just not as wolfy as Valier's. Yet I would not put it past him to make such a bold move to reveal himself as a non-wolf upon his death. Quite often, when people absolutely know they will die.. they like to leave parting words to their fellows. In the case of dying wolves.. it is not unheard of for them to leave a parting monologue so as to confuse the village.

Nogrod's reveal, I just.. something doesn't feel right about it. It is too 'non-perfect'. When you go about making a plan, especially when it can involve your death; you want it fool proof; so as to not make a waste of it. Every detail is going to be scrutinized, yet if a bold wolf schemes in such a way; I would think that they wouldn't want it to look like they've covered evey single basis. Because it seems that villagers have the benefit of getting things wrong... of having a bit of doubt. (If that makes sense, it makes sense in my head.) Forgetting some crucial pieces of this game as he did.. it just feels wrong.

Menel's reveal, I just don't see the reason. It almost seems like he was wanting to ride the reveal coat-tail's of Nogrod.

[Nogrod]

Back with a clearer mind for a while aka I have slept...

Even if we won't know the roles of those dying my actions and death can prove a few things depending on how and when I die and what I can do.

When I die someone goes with me thus proving I was what I am. It all goes down to when do you want to know it and how much do you wish to gain.

If you lynch Lommy toDay you can't be sure what I am and what she were. Also you leave me much more insecure with my option on actively killing someone during the Night and I might blunder (dare not to try or get it wrong) the extra kill we could have.

If you can't wait for answers but need to know it toDay then lynch me. I can take Lommy with me as an extra price and you know what we both were.

But if you let me handle Lommy the next Night you'll find Lommy dead in the morning with someone else. So there will be two deaths by which you can see that I'm indeed your guardian and you can trust me. Then I have a chance to help you both with my thoughts and in the end possibly with hunting down one more wolf.

If there is only one kill during the Night it will be because either the Protector does save someone or the wolves try to frame me with not even trying to kill anyone. Now these would be great options! We'd have a Night with no dead innocents but a dead wolf instead.

Now if you wouldn't trust me then (after the Night with only Lommy killed) I'm more than happy to call for my own lynch toMorrow. I believe I'll have formed enough good ideas of people by then that I can confidently harvest one wolf down with me at the end of Day2.


So killing either me or Lommy toDay will gain us less while letting me a go with Lommy the next Night will make us gain more while not risking anything.

Think about that.

Originally Posted by Rikae

I'm not about to toss aside my own judgement on the word of one self-proclaimed gifted based on that of a possible cornered wolf, and I strongly suggest that we all analyze our suspects as thoroughly as possible toDay, and not take anyone's word without a grain of salt.

I do agree 100%. And I'm already starting to rethink my opinon on Legate even if I'm not yet ready to change my view (his Day one start was so wolvish and he would have pulled that ending speech to lead us astray were he a wolf). Okay. I need to think it through.

[Nogrod]

Whatever the role of Legate was or the intention behind Menel's revealment I'm feeling those who have spoken on behalf of Legate's innocence more innocentish than not as there would surely be easier trios to try and stage someone who is actually innocent for lynching toDay.

Originally Posted by Rikae

Nogrod, I would like to know why you are so convinced that Greenie was innocent

Actually I'm not convinced about her innocence and I've never said I was. But looking at Lommy's posting toDay I find it more probable that Groin was a wolf and there aren't so many wolves we managed to lynch during the trials.

[Thinlómien]

Nogrod, you're evil. That is a very cunning ploy indeed and nice way of declaring oneself gifted without having to make up false seer dreams or anything else as messy and you can always back up your "revelation" with your wolf-kills. Also, pretty impressive way of killing a gifted off at night and still maintaining an "innocent" status. Even a bit too neat, if you ask me.

*sigh* I had hoped to survive longer and to be of more assistance, but now that the wolves have found a way to kill me at Night without incriminating Nogrod, my game is played.

I'm a Defender. If the/a protector protects me next night, I can still be of some assistance. Besides Nogrod's obvious wolvery I know of one person's non-ordoness.

Do you wish me to come out with his/her name? I can redream of him/her next Night and if I survive, we'll have a second wolf spotted with good luck.

~*~

Originally Posted by Nogrod

And then you lose your concepts like saying that you had forgotten to mark an x'posting while you didn't forget it...

Come on... Even wolves need to make a bit more credible arguments. What kind of "proof" is that? I thought I hadn't marked the cross-post, because when I was trying to submit the cross-post edit Mozilla became veeeeery slow (it didn't update the page in something like 5 minutes) so I closed the Mozilla window and opened IE and I assumed my edit had not been submitted since the Mozilla screen was closed when it was still showing the editing screen.

[Brinniel]

About Menel's reveal: I think his decision to reveal was overhasty. While I know there was some debate on which of the three is a wolf during the Stage 1 Days, it had hardly been discussed at the point when Menel revealed. He wasn't in any danger of getting lynched at the time, yet we was so eager to copy Nogrod's actions and reveal. But while I think his decision was overhasty and foolish, I'm not sure I actually find it wolfish. Because why would a wolf unnecessarily put himself on the spot like that? It'd be one thing if he were actually receiving votes, but that's certainly not the case...

Originally Posted by Nogrod

If there is only one kill during the Night it will be because either the Protector does save someone or the wolves try to frame me with not even trying to kill anyone. Now these would be great options! We'd have a Night with no dead innocents but a dead wolf instead.

Now if you wouldn't trust me then (after the Night with only Lommy killed) I'm more than happy to call for my own lynch toMorrow. I believe I'll have formed enough good ideas of people by then that I can confidently harvest one wolf down with me at the end of Day2.

While I wouldn't put it past the wolves to try to set you up...if only Lommy was killed come tomorrow Night, there's just no way to know for sure whether she was a wolf or not. And as eager as you may be to get lynched Day 2, that wouldn't accomplish anything either. How are we to know whether to believe the random person who receives information on your role isn't a lying wolf themself? And in an even worse case scenario, that random person could end up getting killed Night 3. And then we'd never know who was telling the truth..

EDIT: X-ed with Lommy. Oh my.

[Brinniel]

Are you kidding me? No one's posted since I've been to class?

Well, this sucks. Because I have to catch a train in 15 minutes. I wanted to take a closer look at someone else besides Lommy and Nogrod, but no else has posted enough for me to get a good read toDay.

The only other person I can look at besides them is Menel. Still not sure whether he's telling the truth or not, but I'm more inclined to think he is since I don't think a wolf would just blurt something out like that with no real good cause. So, I don't see a reason to vote for him toDay.

Lommy or Nogrod? I'm not sure which one to believe...both could easily be lying about their roles. Nogrod's plan is not foolproof as he originally thought and even if Lommy were the defender, she wouldn't know until toMorrow if she caught a wolf or not. I feel more inclined to believe Nogrod because his case is a stronger one and I've been suspicious of Lommy's strange behaviour for some time. But I still can't be sure...if I choose to trust Nogrod with attacking Lommy toNight and he turns out to be a wolf...then we could be headed for some trouble.

++Nogrod

If Nogrod is telling the truth, he will take down a wolf with him and we will know both their roles for sure. If he is lying, we lynch a wolf and keep a Defender. So, though we might lose a gifted, it's still a win-win situation. This is the only solution I can think of so that we know their roles for sure. And quite honestly, it'd be nice to know the roles of some players for sure...then we'll certainly have some real substance to analyse.

Really sorry that I have to rush my vote...but I've gotta go.

Hopefully, I'll be around toMorrow.

[Thinlómien]

I've reread Gil, Sally and Kath's Day, but I'm afraid it was of little assistance.

Sally was very confusing and seemed to be somewhat confused too. Normally, behaviour like her current one would make me think her innocent, but with Sally, it's just typical. Also, those pairings of hers were definitely strange - for example, what's the point of pairing me and McCaber up if there's nothing that suggests we're wolves together? - but again, with anyone else, I'd say it's wolvish, but with Sally, I just can't tell. I can't read her at all.

Kath? Something in her chattery way is slightly wolvish, but there's nothing in her posts that would actually indicate to her being one. She is one of those persons who should be watched closely through the game at even it doesn't always help. I very often suspect Kath from early on and now that once-so-familiar feeling is not there. I wonder if it means anything.

Gil... well obviously no data. Unlike so many here, I don't really see why a non-participator couldn't be a wolf. But the fact that it's possible doesn't make it true or even probable.

So I guess I'm as undecided as I was before looking back to that trial day.

I'd love to take a closer look at Zali and Valier, I hope I will have time to do it. (I'll be away for a few hours now.)

I will almost 100% certainly vote Nogrod toDay though, as it seems to be the most logical cause. He is the only one whose guilt I can be certain of.

edit: xed with Brinn

[Meneltarmacil]

Well, I think I'll cast my vote:

++Valier