Lack of respect displayed by Gimli

[alatar]

Originally Posted by Sauron the White

Interesting that your observation is directed at only me. It seems to me that some here are intentionally attempting to provoke me. The calling names comes to mind.

But isn't that what you want...attention? I've given up presenting arguments a while ago, as they seem to get ignored for more provocative ideas. And to think that you and I, StW, two older gentlemen, are posting in an internet forum where someone posted the words, "calling names." Now I know how John Rhys-Davies must feel.

And to think that it only took four years of time passing and probably 200 million viewers for anybody to notice it.

With a list as long as Jackson's flubs (and the subsequent requisite Book quote to be cited), I hope to be able to discuss some percentage of them before the sun burns out .

MatthewM, take the compliment when given: you're one in 200 million!

[Sauron the White]

Alatar... have you been appointed as head of the impartial and objective jury?

[MatthewM]

Originally Posted by alatar

MatthewM, take the compliment when given: you're one in 200 million!

Indeed!

Glad to see the topic has gotten back on track. I do not have the time to read all the lengthy posts right now, but when I do I will be back!

[Meriadoc1961]

There was PLENTY of room for Gimli to have sat down elsewhere. It was not as if they were holding their meeting in a cramped room! And for Jackson to have had Gimli sitting in that chair at that time of mourning just further shows how he does not get Tolkien. The characters are everything. And Gimli sitting in that chair was out of the character that Tolkien had created. Gimli would not have done it.

Merry

[Sauron the White]

When a film like this is made, there are many scenes which end up on the cutting room floor because of time. Even in the extended edition they could not put in everything they wanted to. It is a little known fact, but there were several minutes filmed before we see that war council being held. Here is a secret transcript:

Aragorn: Okay, everybody present and accounted for?

Gandalf: Everybody except Faramir the new Steward.

Gimli: Hrumph, hrumph, hrumph.

Legolas: last time I see him he was playing footsie with a fellow patient in the Houses of Healing.

much snickering ensues.

Eomer: Hey, thats my sister you are chuckling about. Chill out.

Aragorn: Thats fine (experiencing much relief since Faramir has taken the problematic Eowyn off his hands) but he is represented by this letter.

Aragorn then reads the note from Faramir:

Sorry I can't drop in to help plan the invasion of Mordor. I would normally not miss it for the world but am nursing some old athletic. Enjoy the throne room, feel free to use it any want you want. Oh - and maybe Gimli could fill my chair for me?
ps. Ale is in the ice chest.
==========================

So there we have it.

Perhaps that scene will be added to the super duper six hour 25th Anniversary edition of ROTK?

[Sir Kohran]

I believe having John Rhys Davies sat in Denethor's throne was a reference to the movie's early days of production, when John Rhys Davies was indeed going to play Denethor.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon, born a commoner

Well, technically true insofar as she was not herself a peer of the realm- but she was an earl's daughter, not a grocer's! She was a 'commoner' in precisely the same sense as Diana Spencer.

[MatthewM]

Sitting in the Steward's chair is still a big deal, even if it's not the vacant chair of the Kings. The Steward's chair is just as important, in my opinion, given its history and rule over Gondor.

By the way --- they do show the vacant throne of the Kings in the films. They never do a direct shot on it, I think, but it is there, above the Steward's throne.

[Bêthberry]

Originally Posted by William Cloud Hickli

Well, technically true insofar as she was not herself a peer of the realm- but she was an earl's daughter, not a grocer's! She was a 'commoner' in precisely the same sense as Diana Spencer.

Oh, exactly! And both seemed to have a sharper grasp of optics than some of the peers around them.

Originally Posted by MatthewM

Sitting in the Steward's chair is still a big deal, even if it's not the vacant chair of the Kings. The Steward's chair is just as important, in my opinion, given its history and rule over Gondor.

Certainly the Stewards were the de facto rulers and commanded great authority, power, influence, fear, respect--all that goes with ruling.

Yet I wonder, does LotR dismiss the distance between the two seats? Does the Steward's chair mean the same thing in LotR as the Throne?

[Sir Kohran]

Originally Posted by Sir Kohran

I believe having John Rhys Davies sat in Denethor's throne was a reference to the movie's early days of production, when John Rhys Davies was indeed going to play Denethor.

As usual my post is completely ignored

[alatar]

We were always taught, as children, to be respectful of others and their property. We were to knock at the door, and wait until asked in before entering, even if this were a family member's house. Even if we were asked to enter, we were trained to wait until a person was visible before stepping much beyond the foyer. Even when asked to 'make oneself at home,' we were to show restraint, as it never would be 'our home.' At home you might put your feet up and eat all of the cookies, but in someone else's life this, to me, is rude (and if I were truly were to make myself at home, I'd kick the owners out and get out the paint brushes and cans). I've been training my children to do the same.

Is this overkill in today's world? I personally am annoyed (oh, I mean more than usual) when a child who should know better comes into the house and begins to act as if he/she lived there. Trust me, I have enough who behave as if they 'lived there' - they do, and they think that I live to serve them.

I can only assume that all of these children have watched Peter Jackson's Gimli sitting in Denethor's throne and figured, well, monkey see...