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Ghost Prince of Cardolan
Join Date: Mar 2007
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MatthewM ... my initial point to you was a very simple one. I said that your observation about the age of Theoden could not have been too damaging to the films success since it took you five years to come up with the point. You said I was mistaken, that it had not taken you five years. I then asked you very clearly
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I have no idea what you are alluding to about vulgarity. Why would you need to be vulgar when we are discussing something like this? You claim that my repeated statement that a book is one thing while a film is quite another is something that you well know. In fact you say Quote:
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If you know that books are one thing and films are another, why are you comparing two very different things? And even now, in your very latest post, you still continue to do it even though you maintain that you know the difference: Quote:
Its interesting to note that your assesment of age difference was off by many years. Bernard Hill was 14 years younger than Theoden. Your high end estimate of 30 years difference was off by a factor of over 100%. Even though your comparison serves no point, you were not even correct in the factual assumption you made. Even that was incorrect. As a personal aside to you, its sad that you could not notice my closing comments in my post to you since I was attempting to show you that there is common ground between us. I agreed with several of your statements and even went further agreeing that Jackson was not perfect and has flaws in his films. I have never met you or talked to you or exchanged any mails with you. However, you do strike me as either a much younger person who has some insecurity problems or a person with some anger issues. You can post any way you decide to post. I would think a little less personal anger would go much further to making your point about salient issues. |
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Shade with a Blade
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MatthewM: I, too, find StW a nuisance.
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Illustrious Ulair
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: In the home of lost causes, and forsaken beliefs, and unpopular names,and impossible loyalties
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I think you're being slightly unfair there - STW judges the quality of the movies based on how much money they've made & how many people know of them.
This is a valid approach - its fairly obvious that if you apply the same criteria in judging people you find that those who are rich & famous are in every way superior to those who are poor & unknown ... |
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Auspicious Wraith
Join Date: May 2002
Location: The Netherlands
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There's no need for this silliness. I've just been on another website which allows comments and the aggression there was pitiful to see. Let's talk nicely.
I for one have no problem with the appearance of film-Théoden. To me, Bernard Hill was a perfectly fine old man to play the part. I would have thought that, out of everyone, it would be our older Downers who saw such differences in age. ![]() The issue of Frodo's age (as well as his differences in age with the other hobbits) seems like a more interesting topic. There are far more annoying things about the films. Even if I loved every part of the films, though, I wouldn't mind one bit about Théoden's 'youth'.
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Join Date: Dec 2007
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Worst of all are those purists who pretend to be guardians of JRRT's legacy and adopt a patronising tone towards movieists, only to embarrass themselves by showing that they often know less than the movieists(not here, places like the Tolkien forum). Now I guess I'm a nuisance for purists too. Now back on topic. Like Eomer of the Rohirrim said, Bernard Hill is perfectly fine as Theoden. He's still an old man, and his acting performance more than makes up for the difference in appearance. BTW, did the books ever say that Theoden had grey hair? EDIT: BTW, davem, my post may have seemed too inflammatory. I have nothing personal against you; I just thought your criticism of STW was unfair and was defending him. Last edited by zxcvbn; 01-17-2008 at 08:22 AM. |
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Excuse me, all of you, but I must say I just hate the way so many threads seem to end up in the purist/movieist -debate. I see the debate as entirely pointless and indeed ridiculous. As an outside watcher, I find it weird that a question as simple and neutral as Théoden's age should be transformed into insults, anger, and evil jokes.
I, for my part, think Bernard Hill was an excellent Théoden, and the role was nice and whole. Anyway, the question I think was not on whether Bernard Hill succeeded as Théoden but rather why wasn't he made older. Simple as that. ![]() Quote:
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Ghost Prince of Cardolan
Join Date: Mar 2007
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from A Little Green
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It right there clear as crystal. The poster is comparing the Theoden of the book to the Theoden of the movie. That is his standard and that is the basis upon which he frames his question. One cannot judge the qualities and success of one medium by applying standards and qualities of quite another. That is fundamentally flawed and unfair. It serves no end or purpose but one: to continue a debate which you yourself characterize as pointless and ridiculous. In point of fact, the real question is indeed whether Theoden as portrayed in the film worked in the context of the medium of film. |
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