Werewolf XLII: The meaning of life forever

[Rikae]

I really don't believe how many players actually expect to see wolves taking back “suspicions” they voiced today in any obvious manner on Day 1. The wolf has, especially considering their (more likely than not) large numbers, more to gain eventually than to lose by going after the others in an honest way. Of all people, really, Nogrod should not be talking to us about wolves protecting one another!
Seriously, I fear that all this talk of the usefulness of votes to catch wolves whochange their opinions later is being fueled, at least in part, by those with evil intent as a way of setting up easy lynches from day 1 onwards. Of course people will change their opinions down the road, but I doubt any of the wolves would be foolish enough to do so in an obvious way - and they may be as likely to pursue their suspicions for each other anyway. It is entirely possible for two players to feud for an entire game while everyone else considers them both innocent.
I'm not sure what to make of it, but I don't like hearing such usually sensible people as Nogrod, Aganzir and Legate spouting such clearly incomplete advice.
While I'm airing my opinions, I will say that I also dislike TM's "I'm an ordo!" ploy (that is, his wacky theory that all are innocent.) Although I'll admit that Volo is capable of anything, this simply doesn't look honest to me.
Menel is actually the only player who is really giving an "innocentish" vibe to me.
If I'm to be pitted against Green and Izzy, I would certainly like to see more from the latter before the day closes.

Well, my vote then - for what it's worth:

++Azaelia

Because she is, as I said earlier, both too agreeable and too defensive. It is the fatal combination between fear for one's own survival but seeming lack of concern for uncovering the truth - not a good combination. I also reserve the right to change my mind whenever I see fit.

EDIT: X'd with Lommy, TM & Noggie

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Rikae

The wolf has, especially considering their (more likely than not) large numbers, more to gain eventually than to lose by going after the others in an honest way. Of all people, really, Nogrod should not be talking to us about wolves protecting one another!

But really. I'm not sure if the wolves will feel they gain from a situation where they have managed to honestly reveal each other's ways of trying to look good on Day0.0! On the contrary I think it would be quite a nasty situation for them.

Well sadly there's only a few people who have actually voiced any suspicion at all and thence there is nothing too much to read.

Seriously, I fear that all this talk of the usefulness of votes to catch wolves whochange their opinions later is being fueled, at least in part, by those with evil intent as a way of setting up easy lynches from day 1 onwards. Of course people will change their opinions down the road, but I doubt any of the wolves would be foolish enough to do so in an obvious way - and they may be as likely to pursue their suspicions for each other anyway. It is entirely possible for two players to feud for an entire game while everyone else considers them both innocent.

It is entirely possible but not common that those rivals last for long. But you may be right with there possibly being a wolf among those who drive for voting toDay (we should not release anyone just because s/he speaks sense toDay). A bold wolf that is who wishes to take her/his chances by the classical wolf-tactics of speaking against her/his own good in public and thus looking good indeed. But yet again I'd trust the judgement of the people here not to fall into "easy lynches" on grounds of Day 0.0 alone.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I would like to add, and warn, that although toDay's votes (if there will be enough ) do not have a value for themselves, but their main importance will show up after the trial days (I see the term I used found its ground quite nicely ). So, I say there should not be much suspicions based on toDay's votes on the Days 0.1-0.7, quite the contrary, misusing it may prove dangerous, but after the village is together again, those of the wolves who survive will be confronted with the need to modify their opinions (at least some of them, probably, and more of them, hopefully). And then there is the time to look at toDay's votes and say: look, this and this person did this and this.

So now I am to vote, eh? Well, Nogrod's later posts look better to me, though there are some strange things (but lesser ones, like the unnecessary use of the word "we" in the sentence "we innocents..." - he could have said that without the "we"; and also the abundance of smileys in his latter posts). The next candidate would be Menel, but I know him being suspicious always, but he's the second waiting in line. But, if this were to be a real vote, with the hope to lynch the person I cast my vote to, I would say rather

++Nogrod

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I think the DL so near, yup, even I am sort of in stress, even though I knew when it will come. Created almost as good pre-DL tension as a "real" DL would. Anyway, hope to see the most of you again after the trials... good luck and let's hope there will be just a few, or no wolves at all... it's all in everyone's individual hands more than it was ever else...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Look ye, look ye, I haven't in fact done anything against the rules by posting after the DL, as I can actually post now! Yeah!

So Menel and Valier, huh? Good. Will read their posts right now before they show up. Ha-looo, anyone around here?

Legate of Amon Lanc threw his long Elven cloak over his shoulder. With canny eyes, he watched the two figures facing him. His right hand grasped the finely carved long bow, while his left hand reached for a single silver arrow in his quiver. "I could use Manyshot or Rapid Shot," he thought, "but it gives an attack penalty and moreover, one of them may be a good Gifted. One arrow would have to suffice."

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Legate looked at all the other warriors standing in a circle around the three today's fighters. He smiled and shook his head. "I can guess what you are thinking about," he thought. "I know it must be unusually funny to be here and look at us, at me - yes, I know you do - whilst knowing exactly the same thing awaits you, some sooner, some later. Yes, I know you'll try to learn. I have no doubts about it. But first..." he turned his head back to the Ranger in black and the Mooseman.

"A few question first, my opponents," Legate said, rising up his left arm. The silver arrowhead gleamed in the sun. "Before I choose at whom I aim my deadly shot - and I can assure you that if I hit a Werewolf, it will be a deadly shot, as these monsters are my favoured enemies since level 5, which makes it +4 on weapon damage rolls; and I know you basic sample werewolves have just about 2 HD - I would like to know why you did some things you did yesterday - oh, this looks like the longest day ever! So:

Meneltarmacil, your very first post, your post #19. Have you read the posts that were posted before or not, by the time you were writing it?

And Valier:

Originally Posted by Valier

The first day is for the most part pretty random, but think with the vote not really counting today, it gives the evil doers among us a way to minipulate us with their votes . Seeing as most things today can be argued later as being first day not knowinness.

Not sure if I got it right, but can you outline how you imagine a wolf could manipulate with his vote later? An example would be the best.

Please answer these questions to me. Also, you can ask me whatever you wish. The advantage of the three of us being here together makes it much more clear for orientation. When are you going to be around? I am going to be here still at least for quarter an hour now, maybe later, but then I will appear only in the morning, i.e. between 7 and 9 AM GMT.

"At least one good thing," Legate thought, "I had the luck to get two of the less vocal people, so I don't have to go through pages of records. Or is it luck? We'll see." He looked sideways at the audience and attempted to hide a grin. "I pity those of you who have people with thousands of words to analyse..." Then he realised that this includes even himself and started to laugh.

[Meneltarmacil]

Admittedly, I had only glanced over the posts before I started and still haven't fully read everything from the last "day."

A few things I did notice, though:
-Nogrod, strangely enough, seemed to want people to start putting pressure on others, voicing suspicions, etc.
-McCaber started acting unusually friendly toward me after I mentioned that a loud wolf was more dangerous than a quiet one, thanking me for allowing him to remain silent when he had nothing to say.

[Valier]

well hello you two...of all the two...one quiet, one loud.
This should be an interesting day. Ok so now down to it. which one of you is furry and which one isn't. That is the question.

Originally Posted by Legate

Not sure if I got it right, but can you outline how you imagine a wolf could manipulate with his vote later? An example would be the best.

hmmm let's see, I don't and didn't quite mean manipulate, though I used the word. I just mean that by having a vote on the first day, without it counting, could perhaps muddle people up in later days(as I know it would with me if others went by day 0.

Ok let me stop for a second and see if I can make this, make sense.... Ok let's say I was a wolf (which I'm not, seriously) Yesterday it would have been pretty easy to say whatever I wished, since no one was to be killed. and everything I said that may incriminate me that day later on, I could dismiss as a day that "didn't count" just as every other day one except the voting was not necessary.
Did that answer your question Legate? If not please do let me know.

Now as I was writing this I was thinking it kinda weird that I was just answered your question without hesitation, which is a bit out of character for me. But the thing is today is like our own little game of ww. Normally I would question you for questioning me and think you suspicious, but today what else is there? I was thinking along the same lines as you Legate as to how to approach this day, and I thought why not be specific and ask questions.
So this being a wholly different day, and us being the first to try our hand at it your question does not surprise me. This makes me for the moment leaning towards you as being innocent or Gifted (I'm not telling) because you had the same reaction and thoughts as I do. but that could in itself be a furry plot.

Now this bring us to Menel...Oh Menel, I always suspect you and at the same time don't because well you are so dang quiet. When you do post, sorry to say they always seem...no offense weird. I know you can be an effective wolf, because of your elusiveness and your long ww history. But a lot of the time I suspected you, I was wrong. I hope to hear a fair amount from you today, please do contribute so we can get a grasp on each other.

I will be around for the majority of the day. I don't work tomorrow, so let us set the standard for the days to come.

[Roa_Aoife]

WOOT! Made it!

Alright, firstly, to those that think I'm being overly agreeable- please take into account that I haven't played in a while and am re-aclimating to the game. It may take a little bit. Also, given my history of getting everyone angry at me, I'm trying to be more mellow this game. Also, I made an attempt at stirring a good discussion with my comment about wolvish strategy, but it mostly went ignored, so what can I do?

Anyways, my suspicion of Menel stands, and has only increased.

My suspicion of the Ka has lessened a little, but not much. I hope to see more from her though.

Agan, for the record I don't advocate trusting me, ever. Doing doesn't necessarily make you suspicious, but if your a wolf trying to gain an ally, try someone else.

There are a few others that I find suspicious, but I need time confirm, and I'm afraid if I say anything they'll avoid it.

I don't have time for more (sorry folks) so for now

++MENEL

[Roa_Aoife]

And Nogrod, if it's you, me, and Lommy, may heaven help us. But I don't think that's how it will be, if it's really one of each a Day.