Werewolf XLII: The meaning of life forever

[Brinniel]

Brinn steps in, hair hiding half her face, and lights a cigarette.

"Well, certainly a lot has been said when there's really not much of anything to say."

Brinn takes a drag and lets out a bit of smoke.

"Seriously. While I can see why Nogrod and Lommy want all of us to vote, in the long run it will do little good. Because while a third of us may be wolves and another third gifted, toDay we are all nothing but ordinaries and not even.

"There has been no Night, and there won't be for sometime. So, no opportunity for evil wolf plotting and no opportunity for gifteds to dream, hunt, whatever. The wolves don't even know who their fellow wolves are. The wolves and gifteds are just as lost as any ordinary should be. And we cannot even lynch someone...so you could even say we're lesser than ordinaries.

Since no one knows who each other is and we can't actually lynch anyone, what exactly are we to say? How are we to identify if someone's acting wolfish when the wolves don't know anything more than us ordinaries do? It's something I'm asking out loud because I really don't know. I could throw out suspicions, but I feel it'd be only by chance I would accurately suspect a werewolf. Come Day 1, anything that happened toDay will have no real significance; we'll all be examining what occurred during Days 0.1-0.6.

And yet while everything we say might not matter in the long run, here we are actively discussing. And of course about the same old topics that always seem to be discussed on the first Day: is roleplaying good or bad, whether to suspect the loud or quiet... These sort of discussions keep going around in their own circles and I don't really think it'll get us anywhere. But then again, I suppose it is better for us to discuss the same old things, rather than to not discuss at all..."

Brinn drops her cigarette and puts it out with her foot.

[Thinlómien]

Oh, Brinn, you know, that was not supposed to be said aloud...

Anyway, in my opinion, there is some point to wolf-hunting toDay. Even though the wolves don't know their fellows and no one is in actual danger of lynching and we have no kill to analyse, we can still flush some wolves out (optimistically speaking). The wolves know they are guilty, and it will affect their behaviour, more or less. Just see.

I'm slightly troubled, though. I know it's only relatively early day1 and a special one, but still it is quite alarming that there has been remarkably little suspicion expressed. Unlike McCaber and Azaelia, I feel that innocents (and wolves ) do a great favour to the village by expressing as much of their thoughts as they can and as openly as it is possible (disincluding, of course, gifted speculation etc), because that allows the other villagers to see to their mind and how they're thinking and thus allows them to judge their behaviour and find the wolves.

Speaking of suspicions, Brinn, Valier and Zali seem a bit odd to me. However, I'm well aware of the fact that my intuitive suspicion of them might be based on the fact that I disagree with some things they've said. Valier and Brinn both seem to be downplaying the importance of this Day, and thus playing to the hands (or should I say paws?) of the wolves. Which is why I wouldn't be surprised at all if they turned out to be wolves or cobblers - even though I'm afraid my suspicion of them isn't very high based on such little evidence. Zali, then, she just seems wrong to me, as a gut-feeling, there is something fishy in her very manner. It seems she mostly repeats what others have said and that kind of behaviour always makes me suspicious. But, in order to add some so called "Lommy-flipflopping", I must say I think I always suspect her, whether she's innocent or guilty... (last time, mind you, she was actually guilty)

Roa seems to be acting a bit too harmonically with others to be her normal self - is she a wolf looking for possible allies?

Originally Posted by Menel

Ah, we now have the good old "loud vs. quiet" debate. Trouble is, this is precisely the sort of thing that causes villagers to turn on each other and say "He says we should lynch the quiet ones, so he must be a wolf!" Furthermore, I don't remember that any wolves were actually caught due to being suspiciously quiet or loud. To me, a loud person becomes a loud wolf, and a quiet person becomes a quiet wolf.

What? If you ask me, no one was actually starting the traditional loud vs quiet debate (merely discussing loudness and quietness toDay) before you brought it up by that comment. I'm glad no one has taken the bait. And I hardly see it as fair to pop up just to criticise others' discussion while adding hardly anything of importance. Oh, I see my orcish manners popped up again. I didn't mean to be that edgy or offensive (if my comment seems such). And even though I criticise Menel's behaviour, I don't think it necessarily makes him suspicious (his behaviour, not my criticism, that is).

Originally Posted by Roa

Thin, our village of 12 (not 14), will have equal odds of a high number of specials, so it's not all bad. And should we do well today, we can certainly aid our fellow innocents in their battles and really hurt the enemies' odds.

I agree with your matemathics (thanks for correcting me) but not with your optimism. I think we are in a really tough situation and quite probably the odds are against us when the actual normal game begins. But let's not lose hope! I just want to say (in case I don't make it to the finals and won't be able to say it there), that the finals won't probably be a place for lazing, but really tough job.

Originally Posted by Roa

Also you put a space between the b and a in Barrow, so that's why it wants to split it.

Really, that comment made me laugh so much. But I swear, I didn't.

[Brinniel]

I should mention that I for the most part do find Day 1 to be a very useful, sometimes even critical Day. But in this case, toDay seems fairly useless. Maybe it seems useful to some now...after all, toDay is all we have. But will you really use toDay as the basis for your suspicions later on? I don't think there'll be enough clues for anyone to do that. Since everyone is safe for now, the werewolves will do whatever they want; some may be careful, and some may act outrageously. Some may try to do everything to manipulate us and some may keep under the radar doing whatever possible to remain unnoticed.There's not any way to tell what behaviour is wolfish at this time. Because the wolves don't know each other and every one of them will have their own individual strategy.

Originally Posted by Lommy

I know it's only relatively early day1 and a special one, but still it is quite alarming that there has been remarkably little suspicion expressed.

Well, I'm not surprised at all. For obvious reasons, of course...

Okay, maybe I'm just being the pessimist here...that's my job. And when I wrote my statement, I figured there would be some who strongly disagree, but that doesn't matter because call it suspicious or not, this is what I think. But go ahead, prove me wrong. After all, isn't that part of the game?

Anyways in all technicalities, this isn't Day 1 at all. So in all arguments, Day 1 could still very well remain a critical Day when it does come around..

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

I don't think there'll be enough clues for anyone to do that. Since everyone is safe for now, the werewolves will do whatever they want; some may be careful, and some may act outrageously. Some may try to do everything to manipulate us and some may keep under the radar doing whatever possible to remain unnoticed. There's not any way to tell what behaviour is wolfish at this time. Because the wolves don't know each other and every one of them will have their own individual strategy.

I still disagree. Many people - not only just new players - alter their strategy of playing when they're evil, either consciously or subconsciously (like in my case). And I'd like to point out, again, that the mere fact that one knows s/he is guilty is enough to leave tracks for a careful reader. Finding wolvish clues toDay might be difficult, but it's possible, and not even that difficult.
And you asked who will base their future decisions on toDay... I will, for one. Not of course entirely, probably to a far lesser extent than what happens on my trial Day, but I will consider it nevertheless.

Anyone who refuses to talk or suspect because s/he thinks toDay is worthless seems suspicious to me. After all, innocent people are not harmed by any extra evidence, accusations and analysis, whereas the wolves are.

[Aganzir]

Due to the half-deleted narration, Aganzir has no idea what's happening. She spurs her horse forward and stops only in front of Nogrod.

"A little bit more courtesy when speaking about my Lord Sauron, please!" she says disdainfully to the dwarf, tapping her nails on the saddle so that the ring in her finger can be clearly seen. "I know you are just envious he chose me, but that isn't an excuse for such behaviour, and if need be I will meet you in the arena." Aganzir glances also Valier quickly and starts then riding around the room, observing the other warriors.

"And unlike you ugly orc there, I can see reasons not to vote - but no such reasons are there for innocents. The only ones who benefit from not voting are those mongrels who have undeservingly connected themselves to my Lord and swear on his name. By saying "it doesn't matter whether or not we vote as no one's lynched anyway", they are playing it safe. So as not to suspect any of their future fellows accidentally (and maybe thus contribute to them being killed in their trials), I wonder."

"Coat room you say, McCaber? Did they give you a nice-coloured wolf's coat?"

"What's strange about that Legate throwing suspicions around, Groin? I say it's a good thing, but I just hope he didn't roll dice to decide whom to suspect because that constant rolling noise hurts my ears."

"I agree with Roa about people who do nothing but post in character. I almost want to lynch them just that there wouldn't be so much to read. (And as for me, I will stop this after this very post.)"

"Brinniel, also I will use today as a basis for my suspicions later. Or, rather, I'm looking forward to see changes in behaviour when the wolves are revealed their mates. And that's why it's important that everybody speaks and suspects as much as possible today."

Aganzir pulls her horse to a stop. "At the moment Roa is the only whom I consider innocent, but I guess I have heard enough about her so that the feeling is as good as nothing."

She takes a look at her notes, then lets the piece of paper fall to the floor and rides away for a while.

Wolf:
Lommy because she strikes me as wolfish.
Nogrod - the way he says some things is weird in a way that resembles a Nogwolf.
Menel. Instead of using his only post in discussing the quiet/loud issue, he could have said something.
Azaelia because she doesn't really say anything. Agrees with someone, discusses (IMO) irrelevant matters such as quiet/loud wolves, and doesn't express any suspicion.
Brinniel because the way she keeps pushing the unimportance of this day looks like a wolf who doesn't want to risk suspecting her fellows.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I have to confess I read only up to some #36 and only skimmed through the rest, so I am speaking mainly to the things before #36. I don't have time now and will be back only very late about two hours before DL. But a few thoughts from me.

I don't like the "loud players may manipulate the village" and all the other cliché "loud-quiet" debates, one would presume this can be laid aside when we have such a special day as this one! *Intimidate check* Now I could say that all who try to make fruitless debate like this are wolves. And I don't know whether Menel is just so pessimistic or so wolf (or Cobbler, or how is that called here).

Oh, and I think you did not say that clearly enough, Nog (because evidently still people think so), but you are right!!! I also thought it strange Volo told us not to reveal our days, when he revealed them himself...
What Volo posted is an EXAMPLE, so this is NOT how the Days are ordered, nor how the three-people combinations look! (possibly) So we DON'T know with whom we are having the trial! Oh, my!!!

Hm, so looks I'm running out of time. There is nothing much I can add, hopefully in the evening. Later.

And P.S. Roa, but lots of these are Ranger skills as well!

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Oh, and one more thing. I caught this by the corner of my eye in Brinn's post, which I did not read whole, but I saw that also before in, I believe, Menel's or someone else's post - I say we SHOULD vote. All of us. If we do so, we make a clear statement and as the Wolves don't know what their mates are, they will later have to do something with the fact that they suspected their friends (they can continue suspecting them, but they will most probably back away from voting them, or be very careful with it. And other reactions, you name it).

So that's it, leaving for now... sorry I could not speak more and reply in particular to your posts No time. Later...

EDIT: Writing in a hurry, maybe I don't make that much sense. *points up* What I meant by the first sentence was that Brinn and Menel, or whoever it was, said it makes no sense to vote. My reaction is that only for the wolves it's tactically better not to vote today.

[Volo]

All of a sudden the doors to the Temple were opened and three more warriors were lead in. Before the three warriors noticed what kind of evil was around them the doors were shut once again.

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A Little Green, Isabellkya and Rikae are now in the Temple. This means that there will be seven stage1 Days.

Have fun!