WW XXXXI: With a Twist

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by morm

Although my concern of Legate is that if he wants us to consider him a known innocent then it would be nice if he acted the part a little more and gave some more helpful infomation and suspicion. Everybody in his last post seemed to be labeled as 'I tend to think them innocent but I could be wrong so...'

You know, that doesn’t really surprise me. I feel much the same way every time that I look at each villager. I can see arguments for each of you being the last Wolf and counter-arguments for each of you being innocent. This is often the case in Werewolf, but it’s particularly the case in this village, given all the strange things that have happened (multiple Wolf-on-Wolfs and all these mysteries). As a result, I am rather lost here myself.

I am therefore still edging towards voting either Isabellkya or The Might, as I feel that I have a better chance of reading the rest of you in the Days to come. My suspicions of Aganzir have actually eased off somewhat in light of her recent contributions. As she herself points out, she has voted for a Wolf every Day. I really cannot believe that there would be that many Wolf-on-Wolf votes. And I don’t think that the last Wolf would draw so much attention to herself by insisting so resolutely on Legate’s guilt.

My preference would be to lynch Isabellkya, as I don’t like her reasoning for her vote for Aganzir. And I am not sure about The Might. He seems to be on a mission to give away as little of his thoughts as possible which, again, would be risky for the last Wolf as it draws attention to him. However, with the tally 3 votes for Agan and 3 votes for Might, a vote for Izzie would be pointless as matters stand. If that continues to remain the case, I will have to vote for The Might, as I see him as being a more likely Wolf than Aganzir.

[the phantom]

I just thought I'd let you know that it is possible no one will be around to close the day right at the deadline.

You are free to post so long as no one has announced the beginning of Night, however, VOTES cast after 9:59 GMT will NOT COUNT.

Carry on.

[Kath]

Erm, Might, why do you say Sauce is an innocent? Is there a dream of Farael's I missed?

Anyway, voting:

Agan ~ 3
Might ~ 3

Eep, I knew it was getting close but I didn't know it was getting that close! And I don't actually want to vote for either of them. The attack against Agan has felt engineered since it began Days ago, and I don't find myself suspicious of the Might. If I were to vote for one of the two it would be the Might if only because with the sheer number of loudmouth wolves we've had a quiet one would make sense.

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Kath

Erm, Might, why do you say Sauce is an innocent? Is there a dream of Farael's I missed?

Well, he did dream of me. But unfortunately it was before the Cursed was turned.

What say you to a vote for Isabellkya?

++ISABELLKYA

[Kath]

Oh. Well no I don't particularly want to vote for Izzy either. Last minute bandwagons are just a bad idea in so many ways. No, I guess I'll just bite the bullet and go for:

++MIGHT

I could see his playing style being that of a wolf far more than I could Agans'.

[The Saucepan Man]

Well, I would have preferred to lynch Isabellkya than The Might, but so be it.

--ISABELLKYA
++THE MIGHT

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

To let you know:

I will be here at close of day to refrain from telling you the role of whoever you kill and to narrate my way happily into the Night. You've got about a half hour.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

My playing is based very much on feelings and intuition, and I can't help if you strike me as a werewolf. That's the same reason I have kept going after Legate- and the same reason I kept suspecting Mac while quite a number of others said my case against him was far-fetched, improbable or whatever.

Now I'm quite inclined to see this as subtly inputting messages that should support your innocence. Wolf-on-wolf votes in this game are, as you said yourself, not rare, and if you are a Wolf, there is possible that we discover the wolf-on-wolf vote for Nogrod there was so much speculation about in the past.

Anyway, if I am able to catch it in time, there will come something to chew from me in case we don't lynch a Wolf toDay and I'm killed toNight.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

This is not much more than concretising and also radicalising (and I am warning about that) my post about everyone toDay.

Aganzir- if she is not lynched toDay, I suggest strongly lynching her some other Day. It was all said before, now she puts himself in the dangerous role of a stubborn innocent; with building such image in front of the village there is strong chance for her to survive till the end.
Eomer of the Rohirrim- I don't think he is a Wolf, but I think he may be twisted. His behavior seems to be following some pattern I am not able to grasp. I played once in the same pack with a Wolf, resp. Vampire Eomer so I can say I have a little insight into him; as I said, he does not look like a Wolf, but more like something else. Not an innocent. (Oh my, I sound like Aganzir now.) We don't know what role this plays when the dead's roles are not revealed.
Isabellkya- looking rather innocent.
Kath- I'm afraid I can't say more than I said earlier about her.
mormegil- looking strongly innocent, cf. above.
The Might- also inclined to think innocent, cf. above
The Saucepan Man- I said that: lately, reasonable, but it will be wise to keep an eye on him for what I raised sometime before against him (Day 3 or when it was).

Other general stuff: I don't think there were two packs of wolves for it would be surely strange not to have more nightly kills (unless the Ranger was miraculously succesful, but even then, you know). I think no twists have been revealed this far and there are at least two - so whoever of you are innocent, watch out.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Yeah, so that is it. Take care all, and if I don't survive this Night, see you later after game.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

"Cruelty?” laughed the Voice. “Me? Perhaps, but only one such as you would label those things which I have done with a word such as ‘cruelty.’ And I daresay I am yet imperfect, for only those like you, proud fool, consider themselves to be unchangeable and right. I can yet learn, adapt. There is hope, for me”

“You speak of inability to adapt, yet my plan was altered, and I still claim victory over you and yours! For in the end, in a battle between you and I, I shall always prevail. Do not pretend you do not know the Power which I serve.”

“Your precious Power... Your Power deceives you. Tricks you. Keeps secrets from you. Your Power’s bidding is a command to you, one you follow with no thought of your own. One you follow blindly. Your Power enslaves you, creates a monster of you.”

So it went between them, a battle of curious words, both sides unswayable, throughout the day.

And as their voices echoed over the heads of the villagers, altered by the damp of the fog, carried strangely over the water so as to seem to come from everywhere, the villagers in turn argued.

"Remember lore!” shouted Saucie. “Remember your history lessons. Hear what I have to say of villages from afar, for I travel and you… you people make lamps, tend sheep, dig graves. Hear this, of a village far away, long ago! Two travelers approached and were side-tracked by a castle similar in appearance in terms of decrepitude and ravens to the House of Usher, if you’re familiar with Poe. And in the tower lived a creature, a mad creature, a fully beautiful creation of feminine form, who called herself the Dark Lady, and she had werewolves, a pair. The travelers died somewhat nonchalantly and took control of the narrative and the Dark Lady commanded the wolves to KILL. And when they died at her feet, due to injuries inflicted by the village, very early on, quite frankly, before the game had really even gotten going, she showed no concern. Rather, she continued to slaughter the village, her decisions made by roll of dice, and continued to play on their fears so they would kill each other even when she rested! Or something like that! It’s been a while! Hear now the story of the Dark Lady! Learn! My point relies less on the details of the events than the fact that she was an absolute nut job, this Dark Lady! Do not forget that the wolves may die but an evil may yet live! Take nothing for granted!”

And many cried, “This is madness!”

To which Saucie responded, “Of course it is, you fools! Of course! That’s what I was trying to tell you! We should be prepared for madness!!!”

To which someone muttered, “I’d say he knows an awful lot about madness… maybe… too much.”

A comment which was deftly ignored by all as decisions were made to lynch both Aganzir and the Might.

“Wait…” muttered Kath. “I don’t want to kill either of them.”

“I mean to contribute to a game run by nutjobs with a bit more madness. Die, Isabellkya, die!” And he charged her with those things he’d tinked in his travels. But he was stopped.

“Ahem.” Quothe the village. “Not Isabellkya. We decide these things by popular vote.”

And Saucie looked meek.

Kath cast her vote for the Might, and Saucie, rebuked, agreed, and so it was that the Might died at the hands of the village. Yet as he died, the fog fell heavily, like a living thing, upon them, around them, between them, and all sounds were muffled, and all were blind. And when it lifted, the Might was gone from their midst.

“Did anybody see if he transformed!?” shouted many.

But alas… nobody knew. And the Fog laughed. And the Voice beyond it almost seemed to chuckle as well.

---
The Residents-
Aganzir- hangwoman
Eomer of the Rohirrim- gravedigger
Isabellkya- hen
Kath- milliner
Legate of Amon Lanc- lamp-maker/fiddler
mormegil- woodsman/carpenter
The Saucepan Man- traveling tinker

The Departed-
Nogrod, reticent lumberjack- Day 1 lynch victim (WEREWOLF)
Shastanis Althreduin, herbalist- Night 2 wolf slaughter (VILLAGER)
Valier, basket weaver- Day 2 lynch victim (HUNTER)[/COLOR]
Azaelia of Willowbottom, apprentice to Rikae- slain by Hunter on Day 2 (VILLAGER)
Nerwen, miller- found out on Day 3 (WEREWOLF)
Macalaure, jailer- outed on Day 4 (WEREWOLF)[/COLOR]
Boromir88, assistant to the apprentice to Rikae- taken by fog on Night 5 (RANGER)
Rikae, midwife/wise-woman- executed on Day 5 (WEREWOLF)
Farael, conspiracy theorist- surrendered to fog on Night 6 (SEER)
The Might- shepherd – went missing upon execution (UNKNOWN)

IT IS NOW NIGHT 6. YOU MAY NOT POST.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

My apologies for it being a little early: I wanted to make sure I could open the day and better a bit early than late or not at all.

---

The village woke.

Their number now totalled six. The gravedigger was missing.

They searched his home, found no sign of struggle. Searched the shores, found no sign of escape. They entered the cemetery, and found no signs of battle. None amongst them smiled or laughed. Eomer of the Rohirrim was missing.

A grave stood open between two tall willows. A headstone was before it. The grave was deep, empty. The stone was tall, white and silver, and seemed to be eroded away by many years of rain, of tides, yet the grave was far above the water's edge.

The only words upon it were these, carved by the hand of Eomer:

Death Is.

The village shuddered. They knew it was by his hand, for tied to the white stone was his white fist, still clutching a chisel. The rest of him, they never saw again.

---

The Residents-
Aganzir- hangwoman
Isabellkya- hen
Kath- milliner
Legate of Amon Lanc- lamp-maker/fiddler
mormegil- woodsman/carpenter
The Saucepan Man- traveling tinker

The Departed-
Nogrod, reticent lumberjack- Day 1 lynch victim (WEREWOLF)
Shastanis Althreduin, herbalist- Night 2 wolf slaughter (VILLAGER)
Valier, basket weaver- Day 2 lynch victim (HUNTER)
Azaelia of Willowbottom, apprentice to Rikae- slain by Hunter on Day 2 (VILLAGER)
Nerwen, miller- found out on Day 3 (WEREWOLF)
Macalaure, jailer- outed on Day 4 (WEREWOLF)
Boromir88, assistant to the apprentice to Rikae- taken by fog on Night 5 (RANGER)
Rikae, midwife/wise-woman- executed on Day 5 (WEREWOLF)
Farael, conspiracy theorist- surrendered to fog on Night 6 (SEER)
The Might- shepherd – went missing upon execution (UNKNOWN)
Eomer of the Rohirrim- gravedigger - dug his own grave, yet was not in it (UNKNOWN)

IT IS NOW DAY 7. YOU MAY POST.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Whoa. That was certainly... interesting. Looks like I am not leaving you yet after all. Nevertheless, seemingly the trouble did not end yet. Does anyone think TM could have been the wolf, and that we are left here with something, or does anyone even think Eomer was the wolf, and we are left here with even worse something, or do you think, like me, that there is still a wolf lurking around? However we cannot dismiss any possibilities. Not that it would make any difference.

So why Eomer, then... why Eomer? He was TM's main dueling partner for a long time, that's for sure. It looks almost like a lover death (no, this is meant only metaphorically!). And what else? More or less trusted? Not by me, anyway, but even I did not think him a Wolf as probably. So another reason to get rid of him. Or just to confuse us? He seems not to leave too many tracks anyway.

I am not probably staying here for too long toDay, but if anyone of you has anything to say right now, I will read it, otherwise, I will be back in the morning. What do you others think?

[Isabellkya]

I think there are a couple of possibilities:

a) Five wolves including the cursed; four are dead. One remains alive, the deaths at night are 'random' so as not to leave a signature from the killer - to keep in line with TP's "twist" of roles not being revealed anymore.

b) Four wolves all dead. The 'twist' of not revealing roles occured after the death of the 4th wolf - Rikae; most likely to as well, keep inline of this hidden twist of another killer. Yet why haven't there been two kills during any of the nights. Unless the remaining killer is part of the wolves - is the Fog or Voice or what have you.

Why Legate was not killed during the night is almost a bit worrying. Surely whoever is responsible for the nightly killings, would not want a 'proven innocent' to try and lead the rest of the village. Yet it could be just another tactic for the killer(s) to insure some kind of confusion and diversion.

[mormegil]

Interesting that the narration didn't include the voice or fog. What to make of that? I realize that the village is rather small now but it seems overly quiet and guarded. I have concerns that nobody will be speaking much. I'm of the opinion that the game will end when the final wolf is dead and accordingly I don't think that The Might was a wolf. That leaves:

Aganzir
Isabellkya
Kath
Legate of Amon Lanc
mormegil
The Saucepan Man

I'm currently inclinced to trust SpM based on the fact that he was dreamt of and deemed innocent; there would have only been the one night to convert him to a wolf and probablity states that it wouldn't have happened. That really leaves our 3 women, in my mind. Of the three Agan is, by standard definition, the most suspicious, but I have problems with that as I don't think her actions are indiciative of a wolfish Agan. I don't trust Isabell and I find myself wanting more from Kath. Meaning that she really hasn't done much to make me suspect her but also she hasn't done much that makes me trust her. That is a dangerous combination. I hope to have time tomorrow to look at both but I fear that due to other obligations today and tomorrow the time I have is very limited and if I do it will be in the last two hours of the day.

[The Saucepan Man]

I am not sure how helpful it is to us now, but here is yesterDay's voting record:

Aganzir: ++Isabellkya (Isabellkya 1)
Legate: ++Aganzir (Isabelkya 1, Aganzir 1)
Eomer: ++The Might (Isabelkya 1, Aganzir 1, The Might 1)
Isabellkya: ++Aganzir (Isabelkya 1, Aganzir 2, The Might 1)
Aganzir: --Isabellkya, ++The Might (Aganzir 2, The Might 2)
Eomer: ++The Might (Aganzir 2, The Might 3)
The Might: ++Aganzir (Aganzir 3, The Might 3)
SpM: ++Isabellkya (Aganzir 3, The Might 3, Isabellkya 1)
Kath: ++The Might (Aganzir 3, The Might 4, Isabellkya 1)
SpM: --Isabellkya, ++The Might (Aganzir 3, The Might 5, Isabellkya 1)

So, why wasn’t Legate killed last Night?

First possibility: The remaining Wolf wanted to put some pressure on him by leaving a question mark over him. But, since we know from Farael’s last dream that Legate is not a Wolf, he is unlikely to attract votes (and therefore take potential votes away from the Wolf) if we assume that we are still hunting for a Wolf, so the motive here would presumably have been to maintain confusion in the village.

Second possibility: The Wolves are all dead and there is some other sinister presence in the village which is out for itself, and which assumes the ability to kill once no Wolves remain. This would point to either Legate being said presence, or to said presence wishing to relieve pressure on him/her-self by putting Legate under the spotlight.

Third possibility: The original Wolves and the Cursed are all dead, but there was some secret role, akin to a Cobbler, which took over from the Wolves when they all died. The conclusion here is similar to that of the second possibility above.

There are no doubt many other possibilities, but they take us so far into the realm of speculation that consideration of them is unlikely to be of much assistance to us.

However, like morm, I am going to assume for the time being that we still have a Wolf on our hands, as I don't think that either The Might or Eomer was a Wolf. My current thoughts on this basis are:

Aganzir: Looking less and less likely to be a Wolf to me. Her best kill last Night would have been Legate, surely, as he was the one putting most pressure on her. For a Wolfish Aganzir, taking out Legate would have outweighed the confuson value of keeping him alive.

Isabellkya: Looking more and more likely to be a Wolf to me. I thought her the more likely Wolf than The Might yesterDay because, while his quietness was drawing attention to him, hers was (is) more subtle.

Kath: Another possible quiet Wolf and, like Isabellkya, she has played subtly and drawn little attention to herself thus far. I would like to hear a whole lot more from her before making my mind up, but I am becoming increasingly suspicious of her.

Legate of Amon Lanc: Little more to say about him than I have already said above. I don’t think that he is a Wolf, but am increasingly inclined to the idea that he is not on the village’s side. Since I believe that we still have a Wolf to find, I am still not sure that lynching him would be in our best interests.

Mormegil: Still trusting him more than any other villager, right now. I am loathe to discount him entirely, since I am well aware that he could, as a Wolf, pull an innocent act off superbly. If he is a Wolf, he has played me (and indeed most of us) like a fiddle, but I can’t see myself voting for him right now.

I am going to look back and see if there is any reason why a Wolf might choose to kill Eomer, other than for the confusion value.

[Aganzir]

I'm actually not very surprised that Legate wasn't killed. If there's a chance there's a cobbler in this village, surely it's in the wolf's interests to leave him alive.

What surprises me more is that the wolf decided to kill Eomer instead of Saucie or morm, who both are quite proven innocents. Could it be that, somehow, the remaining wolf is one of those known innocents and doesn't want to draw attention to himself, thus leaving the others alive as well? Probably not; I fail to see the sense in that, as there are not enough Nights left for the wolf to kill all the known innocents anyway.
Or could there be a twisted wolf that doesn't appear to the seer as one? Or should we play it safe and lynch the Fog?
*returns from the beautiful realm of speculation*

Ok, so we have this Day and toMorrow. After that the game ends- either we find the last wolf or the wolf wins. This is of course assuming that the wolf isn't dead already.

I am still suspicious of Isabell, and am planning to go through her posts now.

[mormegil]

Post 490 she states that she believes it's obvious that Farael is the seer. Votes Rikae and states that by normal rules Rikae and Mac are not lovers.

Post 510 suggest that perhaps their is a dueling wizards role going on that is unknown to most of us. Wonders if the remaining wolves knows of their master. Give the remaining list of villagers.

Post 522 questions if she missed something that SpM was a known innocent. Gives vote count. It's a tie between Agan and The Might. Says she has felt the arguement against Agan has been engineered from the beginning and that she doesn't really want to vote the Might either. She doesn't say who she would like to vote for. In fact up to this point, after the cursed was turned she hasn't stated who she is suspicious of really. States that if she must vote for one of them then she could see The Might as her vote because he has been quiet and with the number of loud wolves this would make some sense to her.

Post 526 votes for The Might stating that she doesn't really want to vote Izzy either. She feels the Might's style is more likely to be that of a wolves than Agan's.

Post 538 she isn't surprised that Legate is alive and doesn't seem certain that he was dreamt of. Asks for a summary of dreaming activity. Doesn't suspect SpM and me which she normally does. That leaves Legate, Agan, and Izzy. Of the three she wonders if Legate has been converted (again she didn't know the dream order) this could be an attempt to play dumb but I think it more likely that Kath has been skimming the posts a bit more than normal and missed that post.

Post 549 states that her inactivity is due to poor connectivity and states that she could try a bit harder. Votes Izzy basically because 'we've heard so little from her'. Not a very good reason in and of itself.

Post 556 states again that she does not suspect SpM and me so that really only leaves Agan. She hopes to sleep and be able to read everything posted to come to a good conclusion.

I simply don't see a change in playing style that would indicate a cursed nor do I see anything that makes me think Kath was a wolf from the beginning. She doens't seem to have her whole self in it. Usually an innocent or guilty Kath would but definately a guilty Kath. Plus I just don't feel that she's guilty which, for me on Kath, is usually accurate.

With that said and based on the fact that I don't have time to go over SpM's posts I think that Agan is the most likely. SpM is somebody I watch and read carefully, not only is he very lucid and helpful but he is somebody I don't by nature trust and feel I can read him fairly well and like Kath I just don't find him guilty. I've paid close attention to everything he has posted but I just don't feel it. While Agan doesn't feel incredibly wolfish to me I refuse to believe that we don't have a wolf among us. I think only Fea can be that cruel.

++Aganzir