WW XXXXI: With a Twist

[Aganzir]

I had almost thought I could escape the fog by flying, but here I seem to approach the village again.

First, how on earth can you know if the cobbler counts as innocent? Some people here seem to be almost too certain about it. If it's usually so, it doesn't mean it's so in this village.

Originally Posted by Might

What if we really had two packs that knew nothing of each other? That would be indeed a twist...

Why only one kill or no kills at all per Night then?

I have ridiculously little time at the moment, but here we go.

Eomer - Inclined to consider him innocent.
Isabell - As for whom I suspect of wolvery, she's my top suspect at the moment. I don't like her posts on the last two Days- too much like a wolf who knows she's about to be the last wolf standing and isn't sure how she will manage it.
Kath - I'm not sure about her, but she looks more innocent than guilty.
Legate - My thoughts are the same as yesterday, and I don't really care if I'm suspected because of that. I think Legate is one of the twists, and an evil one- and my opinion is that we could afford lynching him.
morm - Likely innocent. I don't repeat what has been said about him (Farael and Saucie at least), but I mostly agree with them.
Might - He's quite much his normal self and thus suspicious. But there's something same as with Isabell- some kind of reluctance. It looks like he's trying to appear helpful while trying not to be helpful.
Saucie - The one I trust most at the moment.

I'm not sure if I'll be able to return toDay, so I vote now.

++ Isabell

I'm sorry I haven't been very useful during this and yesterDay.

[Kath]

Is it possible that we have some kind of duelling wizards? The fog and the voice being the people in charge of separate packs of wolves. Because we either had some very bold wolves determinedly trying to get themselves lynched to put others in the clear (with the wolves we've seen revealed I would still think that's possible) or we had rival packs who weren't aware of it until someone they didn't know was a wolf got lynched.

But if the latter were true does the remaining wolf know about it's master/mistress, and does the whichever it is out of the fog/voice that no longer has a pack have any impact on the village. Perhaps this is why we are no longer seeing roles upon death. It would certainly be an interesting twist.

But, whatever the case, we do still have a wolf to find. I do wonder how this game will end though, I thought it must when we found the final wolf but if there are extra, almost 'higher up' roles ...? Who knows?

As to this final wolf, who among us is left.

Agan
Izzy
Legate
Eomer
Sauce
Might
morm

I don't know who out of those I would peg as a wolf. There have been a couple of arguments against Legate that I will go back and have a look at. Unfortunately though I have been left with most of the people on my 'no idea' list, which isn't particularly helpful.

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by morm

If Mac began as a wolf, which seems very apparent now, then it is probable that he picked Rikae on the 4th night.

I agree that, if the Wolves had a choice, then Rikae would have been a likely pick. I also think that, if she started out innocent, Mac would have been keen to hunt her in any event. It’s quite possible, therefore, that she was the Cursed. My problem with this, though, is on the timing. If Rikae was the Cursed, she was turned on the same Night that Farael dreamed of her. We can’t be sure how this would work, but it seems likely that Farael would have dreamed before the Wolves attacked. If so, then surely he would have seen a Cursed Rikae as innocent.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

First, how on earth can you know if the cobbler counts as innocent? Some people here seem to be almost too certain about it. If it's usually so, it doesn't mean it's so in this village.

Yes, but we don’t even know if there is a Cobbler. I agree that it’s possible that Legate could be the subject an evil twist, but it’s no more likely than anyone else, to my mind. We do, however, know that he is not a Wolf. And our best bet is to try to find the last Wolf in the hope that this will produce a village victory. I really don’t like your insistence on Legate here.

Nor Kath’s …

Originally Posted by Kath

There have been a couple of arguments against Legate that I will go back and have a look at.

Why? He’s not a Wolf.

OK so, by my calculation, we have three Days of lynching until things become critical (imponderable evil twists aside). While it would normally be too late to consider lynching one of the quiet ones on the basis that he or she is a quiet Wolf, I tend to think that it is a ‘luxury’ which we can currently afford. I have concerns about both The Might and Isabellkya and I somehow get the impression that those concerns are unlikely to be dispelled in whatever time I have left in this village. I am therefore currently inclined to vote for one of those two toDay.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay. Following the example of several people toDay, I'm posting my list on people after reviewing what I could.

Aganzir- My thoughts on her have not been made better, even after her last post when she seems to hold tooth and nail to the sucpicion of me even while I am a proven innocent. At this moment let me also add on this topic that whatever twists there are around, I find it quite an easy for a Wolf to discredit a known innocent by labeling him as cobbler or whatever. By the way, if I were a cobbler, surely Farael would have seen that? I don't like the way Aganzir keeps going after me, thus giving herself an image of stubborn innocent. Anyway, as it was said before, as I am known innocent, I am probably dead toNight. Hopefully that will be proof for those unbelieving among you that there is indeed nothing twisted about me. I only pity that due to these rumours the village cannot make as much use of a known innocent as generally can be. Maybe it is good in that my points are double-checked and not blindly believed, which would be also dangerous, however there is some line and being a known innocent and still being suspected by several players is quite frustrating.
Eomer of the Rohirrim- I am not sure neither of his innocence nor guiltiness. There is something strange about him, but it is something... elsewhere, elusive. Not near to labeling him as wolf, however. I suggest watching him only in case he is some Twister.
Isabellkya- Not particularly suspicious about her. There are things like her vote for Mac which could have been the vote that did not have any value, as I said yesterDay, but that does not necessarily have to be true. By her behavior, I am rather inclined to trust her.
Kath- Kath is very sneaky in general, well she is always like that. I can't actually remember her as a Wolf, I remember her only as a lover, and her performance seems still the same whatever the case. So, nothing particularly positive about her, but also nothing negative.
mormegil- Seems trying, working, as a morm should; and also due to what our Gifteds said and how he acted seems more like innocent and I am inclined to trust him, as most people here seemingly do. The only thing was, as it was remembered before, his retraction on Farael, but that's a single thing and he even spoke about that, so whatever.
The Might- his behavior lately may be lazier, but that, I believe, could be said about more people in this village. I see his behavior even lately may have raised suspicions about him from certain people, yet I am less suspicious of him that I was before because his behavior is certainly more "Mighty" than he was at start.
The Saucepan Man- he seems more reasonable lately, however, I am still aware of him as I suspected him in the past and am not willing to throw it away.

So, that's about it. I will soon have to leave and will be back probably only very shortly before the DL, so I will probably cast my vote now just in case - probably for Aganzir. Nevertheless, I am quite sure there will be still time for me to pop in before the DL. I will try to provide the village with as much advice as I can for the likely scenario that I am dead toNight.

EDIT: x-ed with SpM

[mormegil]

I agree with SpM in that by continuing to worry about Legate so much we are wasting time. I personally feel that he could be a cobbler Agan, so I agree with you there, however, I am not worried too much about what he can and can't do. The simple fact remains that the most likely way for the killing to stop is to get the remaining wolf. Although my concern of Legate is that if he wants us to consider him a known innocent then it would be nice if he acted the part a little more and gave some more helpful infomation and suspicion. Everybody in his last post seemed to be labeled as 'I tend to think them innocent but I could be wrong so...'

If I saw something more solid from you, perhaps I would be a little less beliving that you are indeed a cobbler which could be a hidden twist in the village.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by mormegil

Although my concern of Legate is that if he wants us to consider him a known innocent then it would be nice if he acted the part a little more and gave some more helpful infomation and suspicion. Everybody in his last post seemed to be labeled as 'I tend to think them innocent but I could be wrong so...'

If I saw something more solid from you, perhaps I would be a little less beliving that you are indeed a cobbler which could be a hidden twist in the village.

That's nice, but you know, it's kinda depressing that it seems at least you and Aganzir don't trust me anyway. And I am, of course, not posting anything for certain, because I can be never certain - only a wolf or, indeed, a cobbler could do it with "clean" conscience. But when I know that I most probably die toNight, I am afraid to place things I am not sure about as sure. I believe I said what I wanted to say - the general views on all people is there, and I wouldn't say it is the way you say it. You probably don't read it well, apart from Kath I have quite good pictures about everyone, and as I said, surely I will post something at the end of the Day. And we have only one wolf now, and my thoughts are really that it is Aganzir. Now I have to leave, so I vote

++Aganzir

But will be back. Keep it up. Think.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I'm surprised anyone is talking about Legate. Let him give us what he will and leave him to his (probable) fate tonight. The suspicion of him, at this stage, seems to do little but cloud the air.

I am suspicious of the 3 girls, mostly intuitively.

However, the most rational suspicion I have is of The Might. His voting pattern is not good: not simply because it was me he voted for, but because the nature of those votes were complete throwaways; it appeared he was trying to be original and not just voting for a suspicious character, or for good reasons. He defended Nerwen rather too much, plus his posts are usually lacking in contributions.

I think there's a great chance he is the last wolf.

++THE MIGHT

[Isabellkya]

Aganzir, your 'reasoning' behind voting me is rather weak, you have no case. Have you forgotten so quickly that for three Days straight I went after Nerwen? Yet you were actually trying to save her.

In regards to speculation about my vote against Mac; it had nothing to do with reluctance. Deadline is 2pm my time, that day I had awoken rather late because of staying up late at night.

++ Aganzir

Part revenge, as well as she has been trying to divert attention towards others; her cases against Legate and I are rather weak.

X'd with Eomer.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Aganzir, your 'reasoning' behind voting me is rather weak, you have no case. Have you forgotten so quickly that for three Days straight I went after Nerwen? Yet you were actually trying to save her.

My playing is based very much on feelings and intuition, and I can't help if you strike me as a werewolf. That's the same reason I have kept going after Legate- and the same reason I kept suspecting Mac while quite a number of others said my case against him was far-fetched, improbable or whatever.
But I guess it's not too easy for anyone to come up with a good case when you're abroad and have about one hour a day to read everything, post and vote.

But as for this post of yours... The first thing you do when you are voted is to remind everyone how you were one of those who were most after Nerwen? I am shown in bad light compared to you because I considered her innocent from Day 1 on.
I could actually say the same to you: have you forgotten so quickly that I have voted for a wolf every single day? But in this village it means absolutely nothing. Normal werewolfing laws don't apply here.

Originally Posted by Saucie

Yes, but we don’t even know if there is a Cobbler.

If Legate is not a wolf, he's some kind of a cobbler. I have never been this certain of someone's role.

Originally Posted by Legate

By the way, if I were a cobbler, surely Farael would have seen that? I don't like the way Aganzir keeps going after me, thus giving herself an image of stubborn innocent.

But that's what I am.
I asked Farael if he could see the twists but he didn't actually answer me. Unless this counts:

Originally Posted by Farael

Worst case scenario, Legate is a cobbler-like figure... doesn't matter, as long as he's not a werewolf (and I would've seen him thus if he were) he counts as an ordo and should NOT be lynched. Simple as that

I take it that Farael didn't know if he dreamt of a twist. I am sorry to ruin your happy day as a known innocent, but that's what my gut tells me to do.

-- Isabell
++ Might

Because there's more chance that I can save myself by voting him than Isabell.

[mormegil]

I have just rereviewed all of The Might's 12 posts and must say that it did nothing to dissuade my decision to vote for him. I think it it probable that he has taken the quiet wolf approach especially consider the other wolves were fairly vocal and it didn't do much to help them out.

Isabell's last post however, has me a bit worried, but not enough to put her over The Might on my suspect list.

++ The Might

Edit crossed with Agan

[The Might]

Well, just a few thoughts on everyone before I go to eat:

Agan - seems quite suspicious, especially because of this constant harassment of Legate, who is a known innocent (even though possibly cobbler)
Izzy - no clue really
Legate - well, he's known to be an innocent
Eomer - not very suspicious anymore
Sauce - guess he's an innocent too and his posts don't look very wolvish
morm - again no clue
Kath - same goes for Kath

As much as I might think about all kinds of strategies I must admit that in the end I don't have a clue as to who from those remaining is the last wolf.

Anyway, since I don't have any other big suspicions and since it seems to be the only likely chance to not get lynched I'll have to go ahead and vote for

++ Aganzir

Anyway, in case I'll get lynched I wonder what the others will think tommorow...since I know I'm not a wolf I guess all might think that I was the final wolf and start fearing some madness in the end.

Sorry for again being a let down, I really must try to post more stuff, but somehow making some cases isn't really my strength except when I know someone is a wolf...maybe next WW.