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Macalaure · 12-25-2007, 05:42 AM

I think I'm going to participate, too, but I don't yet know how regularly.

Quempel · 12-25-2007, 07:56 PM

I'd like to participate too, however, I mostly lurk so I suppose I could be .5 of a poster.

Folwren · 12-31-2007, 10:46 AM

Well? Is this happening? Or do we still need more people? I'm bringing it back to the top and maybe it'll catch some new person's eye.

-- Folwren

Sauron the White · 12-31-2007, 10:49 AM

Thank you Folwren for the reminder. Why don't we start now. Opening question:

How should the film open? What would be the first scene you want in a film of THE HOBBIT?

Folwren · 12-31-2007, 12:16 PM

I was about to say the hobbit hole door...but what if the opening was the dwarven city under and around the Lonely Mountain. Or perhaps of Thorin with his friends on an outing away from the mountain. And then the dragon is seen coming. Panic and disorder errupts. Smaug wrecks the place and decends on the mountain in fire and smoke. One sees a great deal of death and destruction...Thorin and his companions creep up and see what has happened and then flee the place.

There's a rough sketch of something that could be very interesting.

Anyway, from there, it cuts to the scene at Bag-end with Bilbo Baggins smoking in front of his door.

Sauron the White · 12-31-2007, 01:27 PM

Folwren... my mind has been working along the same line as yours in this regard. The only thing I wonder about is the similarity between the opening of FOTR in 2001 and the next movie in three years. Consider if they did this as the opening:

- we get a historical prologue telling us some of the history of the Dwarves in Middle-earth. We could see how Sauron created the rings and gave them to the Dwarves with Durin III getting the first. We are told that while this failed to control the Dwarves the same way it did the kings of Men, it did inflame them for treasure and riches. We see some of their great cities and wealth and then part of the War of Dwarves and Orcs. We see the climactic moment with Azog and his eventual death. We see the Dwarves bringing prosperity to Dale and the Mountain and then the arrival of Smaug and how he emptied the Mountain of Dwarves. Maybe the last thing we see is Thror and Thrain escaping with their lives and a reference to the secret door.

Then from that we go into the Shire of Bilbo and the arrival of Gandalf.

Would this be too similar in format to what we saw earlier in FOTR? Would that matter? Are we seeing too much history too soon? Should some of that be held for later when Gandalf and Thorin can explain it with flashbacks?

Folwren · 12-31-2007, 01:35 PM

Interesting thoughts. But I think...I think it would be too much history for the beginning of The Hobbit. If they intend to do just the story of the Hobbit and not the story of kicking the Necromancer (sp) out of Mirkwood, all that history should not be included. However, if they do have the White Councel and kicking Sauron out of Tol Brandir, then they may want some history on it....

But I was thinking that some of the history should be saved for Thorin and Gandalf to tell Bilbo, as you just said.

That's why I suggested stopping with Thorin and his friends running off, so that later, Thorin can tell about meeting his father and grandfather, and Gandalf can tell about the map, the key, and possibly the ring.

12-25-2007, 07:56 PM	#2
Quempel Haunting Spirit Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In a flower Posts: 97	I'd like to participate too, however, I mostly lurk so I suppose I could be .5 of a poster. __________________ Lurking behind Uncle Fester

12-31-2007, 10:46 AM	#3
Folwren Messenger of Hope Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a tiny, insignificant little town in one of the many States. Posts: 5,076	Well? Is this happening? Or do we still need more people? I'm bringing it back to the top and maybe it'll catch some new person's eye. -- Folwren __________________ A young man who wishes to remain a sound atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. - C.S. Lewis

12-31-2007, 12:16 PM	#5
Folwren Messenger of Hope Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a tiny, insignificant little town in one of the many States. Posts: 5,076	I was about to say the hobbit hole door...but what if the opening was the dwarven city under and around the Lonely Mountain. Or perhaps of Thorin with his friends on an outing away from the mountain. And then the dragon is seen coming. Panic and disorder errupts. Smaug wrecks the place and decends on the mountain in fire and smoke. One sees a great deal of death and destruction...Thorin and his companions creep up and see what has happened and then flee the place. There's a rough sketch of something that could be very interesting. Anyway, from there, it cuts to the scene at Bag-end with Bilbo Baggins smoking in front of his door. __________________ A young man who wishes to remain a sound atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. - C.S. Lewis

12-31-2007, 01:35 PM	#7
Folwren Messenger of Hope Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a tiny, insignificant little town in one of the many States. Posts: 5,076	Interesting thoughts. But I think...I think it would be too much history for the beginning of The Hobbit. If they intend to do just the story of the Hobbit and not the story of kicking the Necromancer (sp) out of Mirkwood, all that history should not be included. However, if they do have the White Councel and kicking Sauron out of Tol Brandir, then they may want some history on it.... But I was thinking that some of the history should be saved for Thorin and Gandalf to tell Bilbo, as you just said. That's why I suggested stopping with Thorin and his friends running off, so that later, Thorin can tell about meeting his father and grandfather, and Gandalf can tell about the map, the key, and possibly the ring. __________________ A young man who wishes to remain a sound atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. - C.S. Lewis

12-25-2007, 05:42 AM	#1
Macalaure Fading Fëanorion Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: into the flood again Posts: 2,911	I think I'm going to participate, too, but I don't yet know how regularly.

12-31-2007, 10:49 AM	#4
Sauron the White Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 903	Thank you Folwren for the reminder. Why don't we start now. Opening question: How should the film open? What would be the first scene you want in a film of THE HOBBIT?

12-31-2007, 01:27 PM	#6
Sauron the White Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 903	Folwren... my mind has been working along the same line as yours in this regard. The only thing I wonder about is the similarity between the opening of FOTR in 2001 and the next movie in three years. Consider if they did this as the opening: - we get a historical prologue telling us some of the history of the Dwarves in Middle-earth. We could see how Sauron created the rings and gave them to the Dwarves with Durin III getting the first. We are told that while this failed to control the Dwarves the same way it did the kings of Men, it did inflame them for treasure and riches. We see some of their great cities and wealth and then part of the War of Dwarves and Orcs. We see the climactic moment with Azog and his eventual death. We see the Dwarves bringing prosperity to Dale and the Mountain and then the arrival of Smaug and how he emptied the Mountain of Dwarves. Maybe the last thing we see is Thror and Thrain escaping with their lives and a reference to the secret door. Then from that we go into the Shire of Bilbo and the arrival of Gandalf. Would this be too similar in format to what we saw earlier in FOTR? Would that matter? Are we seeing too much history too soon? Should some of that be held for later when Gandalf and Thorin can explain it with flashbacks?