WW XXXXI: With a Twist

[Aganzir]

Something I realised while re-reading... Noggie and Mac's accusations against each other look way too convenient. Now that would be a very nice tactics for such bold players like them- suspect the fellow wolf quite vocally and even vote him on Day 1, then maybe drop the suspicions later...

Originally Posted by Noggie

If Mac starts posting his normally helpful stuff I'd be happy not to vote for him and rather vote for someone who doesn't contribute.

They both just took up suspecting each other so easily, as if it had been decided beforehand.

Shasta then. Suspecting Noggie, with quite forced-looking reasons. Noggie suspecting Shasta. It'd sound unlikely that three of the four wolves were accusing one another, but not impossible I think. Something worth trying if the wolves want to be sporty? Something worth trying just because people probably don't believe they would do it?

[Kath]

Let me explain, no that will take too long, so let me sum up...You accuse Nerwen, then defend it as being "confused." That's what I find supsicious, and no I tend not to second guess myself. Maybe you think that is wrong and I should go about it differently, but when I think too much it leads my mind in complete disarray and I start thinking of double-bluffs, triple-bluffs whatever...I've never been in a village with Nerwen before, but I don't find what caused the big deal.

Alrighty Boro, it looks like our problem is a difference in playing styles. I don't think yours is wrong at all, but mine is born from years of writing essays and I find it hard to reach a conclusion without arguing both sides of the argument! As to the 'big deal' with Nerwen, it is simply that her reaction to what Nogrod said seemed over the top and, to me, she explained it very oddly. I didn't defend it as being confused either, I suggested it was due to her relative newbieness which, due to her adeptness at this game, is sometimes forgotten.

Now that's gonna be it from me til the morning I think unless I come post after midnight mass. Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night.

[Rikae]

I don't know what to make of the whole Macalaure/Nogrod conflict. To me, neither of them seems particularly suspicious: Nogrod, though I disagree with him, seems to be a quieter version of his normal self, and Macalaure doesn't ring any alarms for me, because although his points against Nogrod aren't particularly strong, they have that half-intuitive quality his suspicions generally have. I trust an aggressive Mac more than a passive one.
Mormegil's reaction to Nerwen is odd, indeed: first he defends himself for throwing weak suspicions around, than attacks me for doing the same. It seems to me like a desperate move, although, on the other hand, I seem to recall Morm having a generally touchy sort of style. I'm interested in hearing the opinions of those who have played with him more often.
Shasta seems to have confused me with Nerwen, and to generally have a hurried and careless quality about him. Is this the franticness of a wolf who feels himself cornered, though, or the carelessness of an ordo with nothing to lose? Although it seems more like the former to me, I can't say I'm completely comfortable with lynching Shasta, as he seems to be presenting the usual profile of the misguided day-one lynch - too obvious. I've seen such bandwagons go awry too many times not to question the situation that seems to be arising around Shasta.
Boro, yes, I'm familiar with Nogrod's usual line of reasoning - however, in his reply to me he seemed to be expressing not so much a "spare the vocal for now" attitude as a "spare the elite/the good players" one, and in the process, suggesting we shouldn't even make note of any suspicious activities on their part at the time being. I certainly wasn't advocating lynching Legate at that point, as I would think Nogrod would have recognized, so his reply to me seemed unreasonable.
Now, Boro' s reasoning against Kath I simply do not understand. I'll admit, I'm not that familiar with Kath's style, but to me what she said seems perfectly reasonable. Mentioning all possibilities, especially at this early point in the game, is not "flip-flopping", it's a responsible way to post when one is uncertain.
Well, then - I can't really say for whom I'm likely to vote at this point. I would really like to see more from everyone, especially TM and Izzy. Now I'm off to make dinner and decorate the tree, so: Merry Christmas to you all!

EDIT: X'd with Kath

[The Saucepan Man]

Halellujah! My connection is back up, although still a bit dodgy and it may only be temporary. Don’t know why it sometimes does this, but it’s something to do with the ‘phone line I think.

Aaaanyway. I have had a chance to review the Day in more detail.

I am still slightly concerned about Nerwen for her seemingly cautious approach. She has made many apparently helpful comments, but said very little about whom she suspects, and such suspicions as she has expressed have been very mildly voiced.

As for Shasta, who also pinged my radar early on, I am now rather more concerned by how much suspicion there seems to be building against him. He is more vocal than normal, but he makes the point that this is a response to suggestions that he should be more active. Rather than ‘nervous’ or ‘forced’, as some have said, he coes across to me as rather happy to be involved. He has thrown out a few crackpot theories, but that’s quite often the way on Day 1 when there’s not much to go on. It doesn’t seem nearly enough to condemn him, yet he seems to be fast becoming the habitual Day 1 scapegoat. And I don‘t like it at all.

In any event, I have bigger fish to fry now. Two villagers in particular stand out to me as fairly suspicious, based upon events thus far.

Firstly, Nogrod. Mainly, it is his reaction to Mac’s original points against him. They seemed quite mildly expressed to me. Yet Nogrod’s reaction against them (especially in #113) look to br wholly over the top. It is pretty standard on Day 1 for people to throw out mild suspicions in the opening skirmishes, yet Nogrod reacts to Mac’s points like - well, like a cornered Wolf. He attempts to comprehensively rubbish them, while at the same time launching a virulent counter-attack against Mac. He also looks to be encouraging the Shasta band-waggon, which causes me some additional concern. I rather agree with Mac that our Noggie is up to no good.

My other main suspicion at this stage is mormegil. In #83, he said this:

Originally Posted by mormegil

Right now, Farael seems the most, in your face, vocal person which always makes me wonder, but to be fair it seems fairly standard for him and I do tend to be a bit suspicious of him but if I were to pick a suspect now it would be him.

Now, I rather agree with him that Farael’s ‘in your face’ approach is fairly standard for him, yet morm uses this to found a suspicion against him. How can this alone raise suspicion, when it’s his usual style?

I also find this quite strange:

Originally Posted by mormegil in #91

On the other hand, Rikae, in her two posts, seems rather overly eager and antsy to throw suspicion all over, much like a wolf would do.

Again, if I am not mistaken, this is Rikae’s standard approach. And morm is quite often the first to throw accusations around in the early stages to see what happens. I find it difficult to see why this should make her suspicious in his eyes.

So, I find morm’s cases against Farael and Rikae, both of whom appear to be acting pretty normally to me, to be rather weak and forced, and that worries me.

As for the others, I have some mild suspicion of Legate, mainly for his opening comment about the pre-game banter. As others have noted, this might well have been intended as a diversionary tactic, albeit tentatively expressed, and he backed off pretty quickly when it received a negative response. Since then, though, he has done nothing to worry me unduly. Boro, Eomer, Mac and Kath look pretty normal to me, so there’s nothing much to concern me there at present, and there is too little to go on with Isabelyka, Valier, Aganzir, the Might and Azaelia for me yet to form any strong impression.

In any event, in case I can’t get back on before the Day is out, I better vote now.

++Nogrod

Reasons stated above.

[Aganzir]

One vote for Kath, two for Nogrod.

Azaelia hasn't appeared yet.

Is there no modfire, or have I just managed to miss it being stated somewhere?

It's maybe a bit early to say this, as tp will deal a blow only after the second non-voting/non-contributing, but could these blows be of any help to figure out if a certain person is innocent or not? Just thinking aloud, as it's really no use speculating on that at the moment- as long as we don't know what those blows will be like. And not that I would recommend non-participating to anyone just that we'd find out if s/he's innocent.

Originally Posted by Espiem

I tend to find those who come across as cautious on Day 1 as suspicious, as I always think that is the best approach for a Wolf at the outset.

I disagree. There are as many different approaches as there are players. And that's definitely not the best approach if someone finds it suspicious.
Now tell me if you're always a cautious wolf at the beginning of a game? Tell me if you've been cautious this far? I must say I don't particularly like the way Spm sneaks his attitude in (like Noggie said about Mac) and at the same time directs suspicions away from his own behaviour. At the moment I don't consider him suspicious enough to receive my vote though, but I'll keep an eye on him.

Originally Posted by Kath

I'm not defending Mac (who was the subject of this discussion) but I do want to point out that it does happen.

Now this may be grasping at straws, but that "I'm not defending Mac" caught my eye. It just looks like she's trying to make sure that everybody realise she's not on the same side with Mac if one of them is lynched and revealed to be a wolf.

I'm off to sleep now- be back & vote before the deadline.

**

P.S. Thought I'd share with you that I just noticed my cousin looks exactly like the phantom.

edit: xed with Izzie

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Is there no modfire, or have I just managed to miss it being stated somewhere?

It's maybe a bit early to say this, as tp will deal a blow only after the second non-voting/non-contributing, but could these blows be of any help to figure out if a certain person is innocent or not? Just thinking aloud, as it's really no use speculating on that at the moment- as long as we don't know what those blows will be like. And not that I would recommend non-participating to anyone just that we'd find out if s/he's innocent.

Yes they would help us but not in the way you are thinking Agan. Phantom will not hesitate to quickly dispatch those who do not participate, guilty or innocent. Likely it would be an innocent (simply based on ratio) if Azalia were mod fired therefore we would be down an ordo. It is not a good idea to tempt the phantom in any way...*whispers* he's a megalomaniac with a short temper.

[the phantom]

You have four hours till Day 1 ends

[Rikae]

Nogrod, I think you have accused Mac and I of plotting together in every single game.
As for your reply to me on Legate, I still don't understand why you reacted as though I was advocating lynching him simply by voicing a small suspicion. Maybe you thought I was, but it seemed to me it should have been obvious what I was doing (and you know my playing style by now in any event.) That's why I felt you were quashing the mention of suspicious activities on Legate's part (who, incidentally, seems to have been forgotten by everyone.)

Well, now that the stockings are filled, I really should vote and go to bed. I'm making a list, checking it twice, gonna find out who's naughty or nice...and to me,

++Shasta

...looks most deserving of coal in his stocking toDay, for reasons stated earlier.
Frohe Weihnachten, everybody, and be good, for goodness' sake!

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

He has thrown out a few crackpot theories, but that’s quite often the way on Day 1 when there’s not much to go on.

It is pretty standard on Day 1 for people to throw out mild suspicions in the opening skirmishes,

Okay, so Saucie, you are okay with crackpot theories and weak suspcions here, yet when it comes to this you feel a bit different.

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

Now, I rather agree with him that Farael’s ‘in your face’ approach is fairly standard for him, yet morm uses this to found a suspicion against him. How can this alone raise suspicion, when it’s his usual style?

I also find this quite strange:

Again, if I am not mistaken, this is Rikae’s standard approach. And morm is quite often the first to throw accusations around in the early stages to see what happens. I find it difficult to see why this should make her suspicious in his eyes.

So, I find morm’s cases against Farael and Rikae, both of whom appear to be acting pretty normally to me, to be rather weak and forced, and that worries me.

I threw out some weak suspcions because I was leaving shortly and didn't have much time and also, there wasn't much to go on and I have a tendancy, that is very well noted to suspect people like Farael and Rikae...just ask Lommy and Kath. If I remember correctly to SpM, you seem to usually suspect me for this type of behavior that I exhibit. I tend to not be overly logical on the first day or two because there isn't much of a point about it. I wonder why you suspect me for the same reasons you always suspect me and yet you question why I suspect others for the same reasons.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Something I realised while re-reading... Noggie and Mac's accusations against each other look way too convenient. Now that would be a very nice tactics for such bold players like them- suspect the fellow wolf quite vocally and even vote him on Day 1, then maybe drop the suspicions later...

They both just took up suspecting each other so easily, as if it had been decided beforehand.

Shasta then. Suspecting Noggie, with quite forced-looking reasons. Noggie suspecting Shasta. It'd sound unlikely that three of the four wolves were accusing one another, but not impossible I think. Something worth trying if the wolves want to be sporty? Something worth trying just because people probably don't believe they would do it?

Aganzir, I've already said that my suspicions on EggNogrod at the beginning were meant to be taken in jest.

As to how vocal I'm being, some of you said I should be more active... but now that I am being more active, what I'm seeing is "Hey, Shasta's being unusually active. How suspicious!" I just can't win.

Also, don't worry, those of you who haven't had me make you a suitably-Christmas name yet, I'm working on it. ^_^

Edit: X'ed with Aganzir.

[Farael]

*Bares teeth* (note, it says teeth, not fangs)

So SPM we meet at last... and to make things worse, you are being reasonable and have done nothing that I can use to accuse you of wolvishness

Fine, I'll admit the possibility that you MIGHT not be a wolf this time. Though I won't trust you until you get lynched and found ordo or we lynch the last wolf.

A few things I've noticed

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Now this may be grasping at straws, but that "I'm not defending Mac" caught my eye. It just looks like she's trying to make sure that everybody realise she's not on the same side with Mac if one of them is lynched and revealed to be a wolf.

Yep, sure looks like grasping at straws to me.

Boromir answered my theory quite comprehensively and I'm willing to admit that it was mostly made up to see his reaction. I'm still concerned about his vote and in spite of what he may say, unsettled at his "I see" comment. Maybe he DOES use it all the time, but it looks like a bad seer hint to me.

As to my other suspicion (Shasta) I still find him unsettling. I strongly disagree with the point of view (I think Rikae's) that "he's too easy a Day 1 lynch". I think that Day 1 are the days where we HAVE to take those easy kills if nothing better appears, as day 8, with the villager numbers greatly thinned is not a good time to "take a chance".

There seems to be a growing sense of discontent against Nogrod and I'm not sure about it. On one hand, I am unsettled about his (parapharsing someone else) "elitist" approach where he dismisses off-hand accusations against "useful" villagers on the basis that they could be an asset later on.

First of all, he probably falls into this "elite" group (at least according to himself) and thus it would be a wise move to ensure his own survival. Second, this village is full of experienced players, so pretty much anyone can be considered an "elite" player.

While I am sure that he did not mean that all experienced players are above and beyond suspicion on Day 1, the implications of this approach are ugly.

However, it should be noted that this IS his normal playing style, so while I strongly disagree on this perspective (see above for the reasons) I don't think this alone is enough to think him wolfish.

I'm still leaning more towards Shasta even if he is an "easy" kill than Nogrod. Boromir is still there as well, but he does not worry me as much for now.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Something I realised while re-reading... Noggie and Mac's accusations against each other look way too convenient. Now that would be a very nice tactics for such bold players like them- suspect the fellow wolf quite vocally and even vote him on Day 1, then maybe drop the suspicions later...

They both just took up suspecting each other so easily, as if it had been decided beforehand.

Aganzir, I've thought of that too. Their reactions do seem over the top. I'm not ready to vote for either of them yet, though, but I'm watching them.

On that note, what about the possibility that Boro and Kath are both wolves?

Then there's:

Shasta –Still looks wolfish, but is he too obvious?

The Saucepan Man –Is his defence of Shasta too prompt? Are his vague insinuations about people too sneaky? (I admit to bias on that one.) He's giving me a strange vibe, but I've never played with him before... I don't know.

Mormegil –I don't like his strange, self-contradictory accusations of Farael and Rikae... or the way, when I mildly drew attention to the Farael accusation, Morm blew right up.

At the moment I'm wavering between Morm and Shasta. I could be persuaded to vote Boro– or maybe even Kath (or Mac... or Nogrod...). We'll see.

I have to go now. I'll be back later to vote.

[Valier]

Ok sometimes I just hate computers, I was half way through my list and explanations and bang I hit something and I went back a page and lost everything.....Ugggg

Well since now my time is even more limited I will try and explain myself as best I can. I know my reasons may not always be that good, I can only try. I like to read and observe how people interact with each other and their reactions to different situations. So saying that, my list of suspects is made up of people who I just don't quite get. Something seems furry about them. For now I think that in some way these 6 stand out to me in some way that don't feel good.
My list goes from most suspicious to least.

Nerwen
Shasta
Mormegil
Macalaure
Isabellkya
Kath

Other than that there are a few I think, for now to be Ordo's, such as Legate, Aganzir and Farael. But that could change quickly I am sure. everyone else I am not quite sure of yet, I will be back in a few hours at least to get a vote in.

[Kath]

Back quickly as I've discovered I won't have a chance to vote before the deadline tomorrow. So:

++NERWEN

She was my top suspect as of my last post for her jumpiness and her confused explanation of her early theories.

Really goodnight this time, and merry christmas again!

[Nogrod]

Funny to see how things evolve... Just look closely if you have time and follow the thing...

Originally Posted by Mac

I find it somewhat strange that you discourage considering him (=Legate) too strongly this early on. On this day, we all will probably have to vote because of weak reasons in the end, simply due to the nature of Day 1, but if the strongest of those weak reasons point towards a 'stronger' player, I'm all for lynching that one.

Interesting, I'm agreeing what Mac says here is his stance: it's absolutely the same principle I have...

Originally Posted by Rikae

I'm familiar with Nogrod's usual line of reasoning - however, in his reply to me he seemed to be expressing not so much a "spare the vocal for now" attitude as a "spare the elite/the good players" one, and in the process, suggesting we shouldn't even make note of any suspicious activities on their part at the time being.

Now please, where did this elaboration come from? Not from anything I said. So from where?

Originally Posted by Farael

I am unsettled about his (parapharsing someone else) "elitist" approach where he dismisses off-hand accusations against "useful" villagers on the basis that they could be an asset later on.

Is this from something I wrote or something you read from someone else or which you crafted with your mates?


So I'd be glad to hear where I did say that I'm willing to leave all "elite" players - whoever they might be and with what grounds they could be chosen in this kind of village - without scrutiny and just frantically run for the quiet/unexperienced... whatever you wish to claim? Show me that post please. For that's the most stupid guideline to play I've ever heard!

I quess I've said this a thousand times but I seem to need to say it once again.

If we have nothing but slight hunches we should vote for those who try to hide and stay away from the fray during the first Day(s) (as later they will become real timebombs who can devastate the whole village), but if we have something better let's go for anyone whom we actually think is guilty. I didn't say we shouldn't consider Legate or any other. I said that with that "evidence" or cause to "raise eyebrows" I wouldn't go on lynching him (and that was pretty early in the game if you remember).

Now my main suspect was Mac toDay. If there is anything like elite - your word guys, not mine - he surely belongs to it. And I do still think he could be guilty of wolvery, and I think it would be good for the village to see him dead. So how can you say that I'm not considering "stronger" players while I'm at Mac's hairy tail?

But looking at this word-twisting I've cited up there I think I might have other suspects as well.

There were some other points made I thought should interest us all. I'll come back to them in a moment.

[Rikae]

Well, it's really very simple, Nogrod. I noted something Legate did which I found suspicious, and you responded:

Originally Posted by Nogrod

He's a valuable player for the village and I would leave him be on this Day unless something more drastic comes to the fore from his part.

This seemed like an argument against voicing suspicions of "valuable players" because that is all I had done. I hadn't said anything remotely like "we should lynch Legate", I merely said he seemed overcautious.
What you quoted was my elaboration of that to Boro, and though I found your (apparent) reasoning questionable, I didn't suspect you - then.
I don't think I've ever seen you this defensive before, and actually, it begins to worry me. I'm used to not only a more talkative, but a calmer Nogrod. Why so edgy all of a sudden?

[Boromir88]

So, here's what I'm going to do...

--Kath

Now please, where did this elaboration come from? Not from anything I said. So from where?~Nogrod

I believe Rikae was responding to my explanation about your typical behavior. Whatever it's worth, unless Nogrod you want to come out and say you are a wolf, I won't be voting for you. I think it'll be either morm or The Might for me (I'll get to that more in a bit).

So I'd be glad to hear where I did say that I'm willing to leave all "elite" players - whoever they might be and with what grounds they could be chosen in this kind of village - without scrutiny and just frantically run for the quiet/unexperienced... whatever you wish to claim? Show me that post please. For that's the most stupid guideline to play I've ever heard!

This is why I said we need to communicate better...things like this wouldn't happen if we thoroughly explained ourselves.

And that's why I'm mighty suspicious of those who are sticking to their guns this early. It's narrow-minded, and unnecessarily so. Sure, we have to vote, but there's nothing wrong with being a slight bit apologetic.~Eomer

I apologize when I lynch someone who is innocent, other than that...nope they won't get an apology from me.

I seem to recall Morm having a generally touchy sort of style. I'm interested in hearing the opinions of those who have played with him more often.

Morm is typically more calling for death/aggressive...here he seems conservative, like he doesn't want to commit to anyone. He's done a fairly good job of tossing around admittingly weak accusations at...Farael, Nerwen, Rikae, and myself...some other comments by morm that get my gut a churning:

On the other hand, Rikae, in her two posts, seems rather overly eager and antsy to throw suspicion all over, much like a wolf would do.

The bold is my emphasis, but I never like that...it reminds me too much of Aristotle's form of reasoning:

All wolves throw suspicion everywhere
Rikae is throwing suspicion everythere
Therefor Rikae is a wolf.

But there's lots of problems with this thought...for instance

All cats have tails
Maximillian has a tail
Therefor, Maximillian is a cat (Max is my cocker spaniel for anyone who doesn't know).

See the problem there? Sure wolves throw around suspicion, but so do many ordinary innocents. And maybe I'm mistaken, but it just seems like Morm's been throwing around more accusations than Rikae.

The Might hasn't posted too much, but that's not what makes me uneasy about him...he seems far too jolly, I mean it's nice to be receiving merry christmas' with the holiday hours away, but its like an attempt to appear friendly and buddy up. Call me the Grinch, I know in truth TM is wishing us a merry christmas, but the well-wishing in this village...just looks like an attempt to be friendly.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Rikae

I noted something Legate did which I found suspicious, and you responded:

This seemed like an argument against voicing suspicions of "valuable players" because that is all I had done.

I can't see your point here. Sorry. Maybe we talk a different language then? Check the bolding I have made to my post you quoted. How can you read that in the way you post in your earlier post referring to the very same paragraph:

Originally Posted by Rikae

in his reply to me he seemed to be expressing not so much a "spare the vocal for now" attitude as a "spare the elite/the good players" one, and in the process, suggesting we shouldn't even make note of any suspicious activities on their part at the time being.

??? Okay. A communication breakdown or then you do this on purpose which means you're a wolf.

I don't know about the calmness issue here. I tend to get somewhat upset when the wolves start to encircle me in the broad daylight. I think that is quite natural. If I were a wolf and noticed you getting the votes after my mates had framed you I'd say exactly the same: "why do you look so defensive Rikae? Well. hmm... that's surely something to note". You see the point? Quite easy to see it as wolvish.

There are four wolves here doing their dirty bussiness... just a reminder.

~*~

Okay... this was what I was writing when I saw Rikae's post.


Why I consider Mac might be a wolf?

When he came in to the game there were almost twenty posts made and what he did was to concentrate his whole post on me - not even mentioning another name there.

That's not so bad as such.

But what he had to say? Nothing.

He threw forwards all those terms like "rubs me slightly the wrong way" (without any clarification where that came from) and "you raise my eyebrow there" (referring to my sentence where I said I'd be happy to hear if Legate had any reasons to believe the pre-game banter was of any importance - which I had strongly denied basing to my experience).

Then he goes to add this "There's little point in discussing them (= the "twists") now. I know we yet don't have a lot else to talk about, but still", referring to my first post, second of the whole game!

So what is this? Why is he doing this? "But still"???

And you dare to post this afterwards...

Originally Posted by Mac

Note also the way he shortened my post in his quote to make it look less like a careful early day one comment and more like a baseless accusation with no points! (check 82 and 113, please)

Now this is ridiculous. Your points? Points?

Yes I cut your post as I tried to reveal what your post was all about. Nothing but fabrication (check above).

If it would have been a "careful early Day1 comment" you would have discussed a couple of people posted that far, made points to and fro etc. But it wasn't like that.

So it's much a do about nothing. In the meantime it's a post that tries to make me look bad, intentionally and calmly. That's where I smell the rat. In the intent which leads to fabricating a post to paint someone black out of thin air.

I know I'm an easy target on Day1 as I tend to get involved and thence talked and thence on the lynch-line. The wolves have tried this very same procedure a few times already before (once they bandwaggoned me in bright daylight and got me lynched).

But I play this game to get involved. That's the game to me.

It sometimes demands some self-defence before going to sleep as I also like to play this game and do not wish to die on Day1.

To win the game as a wolf? Post once, at most twice a Day in the beginning. Do not say anything that is not approved by the majority. If you attack, take a victim who is easy to lynch (someone who involves her/himself and thence gets talked about). Always look you're nice towards most of the village as people are prone to vote for someone who has voiced a concern towardfs themselves...

But that's not the way we innocents win.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

One evil tactic, which I am very familiar with, is to pick out a 'victim' of quiet and unreadable participation and raise suspicion on them. This works particularly well when no-one else has yet scandalised said victim. It makes the evil-doer appear not only original, but inventive in his/her spying methods.

And that's why I'm mighty suspicious of those who are sticking to their guns this early. It's narrow-minded, and unnecessarily so. Sure, we have to vote, but there's nothing wrong with being a slight bit apologetic.

I have no certainties yet, and I admit this; but nobody should feel bad about seeing possible wolves in all corners of this village. Rather, it is to be commended. Blindly following the same path is either foolish or a dastardly plot.

[Valier]

just popping in quick, I see there is loads to read..... Let's see if I can catch up and at least come up with some sort of a suspect list. I shall be fairly busy tonight but I will get a list up and give it some thought before I vote.