WW XXXXI: With a Twist

[Farael]

Day ones how I hate thee.

And specially the first few posts, as there is trully NOTHING to go on with until some talk get started. Once it does, however, i'll be able to create a custom-made conspiracy theory for this village.

A few thoughts I'm pondering

*The Phantom is lying to us all and there are no wolves, so he'll have a laugh while we tear each other to pieces (with the nighty kills being decided by a many-faceted dice roll)

* Mormegil Saucepan Man and Eomer are all wolves (did I forget to mention any of the usual "he NEEDS to be killed, no matter what the evidence shapes up to be like"?)

*Macalure is having back-to-back wolvish episodes (we should lynch him even if he's not, I'm still bitter about last time)

*Talking about bitterness, SPM. Enough said.

*Also, should Nogrod fail to flood us with extremely long analysis posts, we should lynch him for deviating from his usual game. Even though I personally dislike those posts.

Did I take too long? there were no posts when I decided to write all this nonsense

[Nogrod]

Those twists better help us as otherwise it looks grim indeed. Just look at the villager - wolf -ratio and add to it the cursed one who could be our toughest enemy later in the game... as even the word of the seer can't be trusted 100% in the end.

Originally Posted by Farael

Once it does, however, i'll be able to create a custom-made conspiracy theory for this village.

Ahh, we all can you know. So let's hear some talkin'.

Meanwhile I'm off to hew down a few birches as that's the trade I know...

[Nerwen]

*shakes head sadly* Terrible times, terrible times.

Hmmn. I do think some of us could have chosen more useful careers. I mean hats... hats are very nice and all that, but it's a pity we're the only village in Beleriand with no warriors and no-one to make weapons for them anyway. Perhaps the Tinker and the Carpenter could try their hands at it?

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Those twists better help us as otherwise it looks grim indeed. Just look at the villager - wolf -ratio and add to it the cursed one who could be our toughest enemy later in the game... as even the word of the seer can't be trusted 100% in the end.

Ahh, we all can you know. So let's hear some talkin'.

Meanwhile I'm off to hew down a few birches as that's the trade I know...

Hey, come back! Are you saying the Seer could BE the cursed?

EDIT: X'd with Legate, Farael and Nogrod.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Hey, come back! Are you saying the Seer could BE the cursed?

I believe he meant the Seer can See an innocent person one Night and the next Night the person is infected and the "known innocent" becomes a werewolf. That is a thing one has to bear in mind, really.

The funny thing is that I guess we are not even going to learn, if there is no Night kill, whether it was luck (Ranger protection) or a big problem for us (somebody turned to a wolf instead of being killed).

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Farael

Besides, he said that he did not PM the roles up until he had a full complement of players

Where does he say that, though? I can't find it.

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

The funny thing is that I guess we are not even going to learn, if there is no Night kill, whether it was luck (Ranger protection) or a big problem for us (somebody turned to a wolf instead of being killed).

Yes, I'd thought of that.

All I can say is this: if there's a "no-kill" Night before we've got any wolves, really watch out for bandwagons the next Day. I mean– if there's five wolves, I should think they could lynch at will.

Edit: X'd with Legate, Farael and Nogrod.

[Valier]

Ok well it's day one....uggg not much to say I guess just yet, seems everyone is discussing the rules of the game. I tend to like to go with the flow, I am sure Phantom has some plans up his sleeve (which by I mean his "twists")

I don't think lingering too long on the semantics of the game will be of much help at this time. I am sure this is going to be a sort of live in the moment game, because you never know when something drastic may happen. I don't see the point of worrying about the cursed villager now, it may never happen, the cursed may do a good job and not get killed. Remember they are just an Ordo to begin with. It is something to keep in mind, but why dwell on it.
Still it does give something to talk about on dull Day ones. I guess taking into effect what people have to say about the "rules" and such and the way they say it could always be useful.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Valier

Still it does give something to talk about on dull Day ones. I guess taking into effect what people have to say about the "rules" and such and the way they say it could always be useful.

I think these unknown twists are making us all jumpy– and as you say, they give us something to talk about.

We can talk about something else, of course:

Such foggy weather we're having! Oh, and how's the basket-weaving going, Valier?

[Rikae]

Well, well. I must say, it's difficult not to suspect Nogrod for not only failing to advocate lynching the quiet ones, but actually being rather quiet himself. I take it this is the new style?
I suppose somebody should provide the usual quiet/loud discussion, then. I suggest that we get rid of anyone who isn't pulling his or her weight in this villiage early on, rather than leave them to the last as unknown quantities when we can't afford to lose them.
No, Rikae, actually, it's better to keep them around, because it's better to have even a few short posts to go on than none at all.
Yes, but you don't understand. We can force them out of the shadows by threatening them with lynching!
Well, not so much now, can we, Rikae?

Yes, I know the above is pointless, but no more so than attempts to figure out TP's twists. Honestly, it could be anything at all, and throwing random ideas out isn't going to accomplish anything.

Instead, I suggest tossing around some accusations. For instance: I dislike the way Legate brings up the topic of the pre-game discussions while telling others - twice - not to discuss it. It shows a certain overcautiousness, if you know what I mean.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Hey, come back! Are you saying the Seer could BE the cursed?

No that's not what I'm saying - even if anything might happen.

But the seer may dream of an innocent early in the game and that person may then turn into a werewolf later and as the seer would have "seen" her/him only as a villager and not as a cursed one we can't be sure if there is even one denied kill. Although if we have the order of the dreams at that time we can limit the possible unknowns to a minimum of course.

Okay. I'm not sure how fruitful this discussion is either... Back to the timberland.

EDIT: X'd with Legate

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, to end up optimistically, I just thought that maybe tp could mercifully show us in the narration whether there was a protect-kill or a cursed villager transformation, though we cannot rely on that. But it would be nice.

Probably Merry Christmas, fellow villagers, because I will show probably only not too long before the end of the Day. Bye.

EDIT: x-ed with Farael. Don't be silly, Farael. It is called a "preventive comment". You could have been really this pre-day 1 "twister" and laughed at me. But this is still the topic we decided to drop. You are returning to it now, I said it's finished and I don't want to speak about it and discourage anyone to speak about it. Nog said it is normal thing and that settles it. Let's cut it before it continues.

Bye, really, and Merry Christmas if I don't check back in till they happen at you.

[Farael]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Hey, come back! Are you saying the Seer could BE the cursed?

I know it's day one and there's nothing really to go on, but aren't we in enough troubles without jumping into weird theories?

Wow, what's wrong with me? Well, I guess that as long as it's not a CONSPIRACY theory it's fine for me to speak against them

First of all, the Seer cannot be the cursed if we go by the game's rules (of course, it could be one of the misterious twists). There it says that there's a seer that's separate from the cursed villager (Further evidence is given by the fact that Phantom mentions that if the seer dreams of the cursed villager blah blah... which cannot happen if the Seer WAS the cursed villager)

Also, here's something that I strongly dislike

Originally Posted by Legate

Okay, I will take your word, Farael

Don't, I might be wrong, but that's not what concerns me the most

(unless you are the one who provided that thing, be it for our good or bad).

THERE.... I do understand that "you can't trust anyone on day one" (and only a very few people in very rare situations later on) but that's just pointless. If you really think I might be bluffing by all means go on with your line of thought and see what comes out of it. If not, why make that comment?

It's as if you are trying to "implant" a waste-of-time theory on the village... 'cos we all know that most senseless theories that prop up on Day 1 are discussed well into the game and usually turn out to be a waste of time. That's also the reason I'm actively speaking against what I consider nonsense.

Edit: X-ed with Legate and Nogrod

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Farael

I know it's day one and there's nothing really to go on, but aren't we in enough troubles without jumping into weird theories?

Ah, professional jealously, is it?

[Isabellkya]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Meanwhile I'm off to hew down a few birches as that's the trade I know...

I completely mis-read this sentence and nearly choked on the water I was drinking. haha.

Awwhh.. but the discussion on how many wolves there were, was always entertaining time-wasting.

I agree Nerwen; with the wolves being able to communicate at all times; it shall be easier for them to form a bandwagon/lynching party.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, before anything actual begins, let me get the ball rolling with one question. Don't roll it too much, though, because it is rather a sideway issue and obviously there are other more important things to discuss (as soon as the discussion starts). Nevertheless...

Is the rant above *points up* and I don't mean TP's narration, but the sillinesses we wrote here, having anything to do with the actual game? What I mean is, whether one of these "twists" tp mentions cannot be after all something like telling a player to post this and this before the game starts. I know there are some things that speak against it, like that the players did join one by one and some relatively late. But I mean, tp sounded quite mysterious (if it is the right word, I would say scary even) and actually, have you seen anywhere a pre-day 1 discussion? Maybe it was for our village to get together. But still it's strange.

Like I said: let's be careful and not discuss this too much. Maybe it really does not mean anything. But I had to say this because I keep thinking about it. And also at this time, when I have nothing better to post, why not to post this.

[Farael]

Actually Legate my take on it is that Phantom did it so that we'd get some of the Day 1 sillyness out of the way (didn't work with me, clearly) and to ensure that there'd be more talk.. you know, some of the pre-game discussions could carry on to the actual game.

But I think it's extremely convoluted for Phantom to ask a player to say something or another... and what would it add to the game? certainly, anything short than a revelation with irrefutable proof of one's role would most likely be ignored.

Besides, he said that he did not PM the roles up until he had a full complement of players, I'd guess that if he did not PM the roles for the "normal" roles, he had not decided the "twist players" either.

Of course, we can't rule anything out, but sifting through the pre-game discussion seems to me rather futile.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, I will take your word, Farael (unless you are the one who provided that thing, be it for our good or bad). So let's skip it, better to cut this topic when it starts and not let it continue. Yup, I also thought it could be sort of a warm-up. And if there was anything, tp will probably see to it showing somehow during the game. Okay, let's return to the "normal" discussion (as if there was any ).

EDIT: x-ed with Nogrod and Nerwen. Okay Nogrod, that settles it. I didn't know such things happened. Must have been a long time ago (in a galaxy...).

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Is the rant above *points up* and I don't mean TP's narration, but the sillinesses we wrote here, having anything to do with the actual game?

I'd say no. That was quite the normal procedure earlier if my memory serves me right. A kind of old-school warm up. But if you have reasons to believe it to be otherwise I'm listening.