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Old 12-22-2007, 03:51 PM   #1
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Gildor's group were pilgrims to the palantir of the tower hills. I thinkit is stated explicitly somewhere.
Definitely not in LotR. If in HoME or anything, then of course, whatever.

And yes, the Palantír was focused to look only westwards, Elendil used it to look in the direction of fallen Númenor and Eressëa.
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Old 12-22-2007, 04:15 PM   #2
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Definitely not in LotR. If in HoME or anything, then of course, whatever.

And yes, the Palantír was focused to look only westwards, Elendil used it to look in the direction of fallen Númenor and Eressëa.
Possibly UT. But I think it is in "The Road.." but I will have to check and get back to you if noone else can be more certain.
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Old 12-22-2007, 05:36 PM   #3
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It is from The Road Goes Ever On:

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No doubt Gildor and his companions (Vol. I., Chap. 3), since they appear to have been going eastward, were Elves living in or near Rivendell returning from the palantír of the Tower Hills. On such visits they were sometimes rewarded by a vision, clear but remote, of Elbereth, as a majestic figure, shining white, standing upon the mountain Oiolosse (S. Uilos). It was then that she was also addressed by the title Fanuilos.
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Old 12-22-2007, 07:56 PM   #4
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Ok, so back to the topic, there really simply is no proof of their existence, and as such we must believe they did not exist.
The quotes provided in the first post can be easily explained considering the innate powers of the Elves, so there really isn't any reason to think that other palantiri existed in M-e.
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Possibly UT. But I think it is in "The Road.." but I will have to check and get back to you if noone else can be more certain.
It's in the essay on the palantiri in section 4 of the unfinished tales. I rember it mentioned six in a sort of ring plus the one that looked west. By the way a minor point as far as I can tell there were three Palatiri remaing in the thir age not two- the Orthanc Stone(Saruman's), the Anor Stone (Denethor's), and the Ithil stone (Sauron's). The Osgiliath stone (The largest they say; it was supposed to take four strong men to move it) was lost in the Anduin when Osgiliath fell the first time. Amon Sul's was also an oversize and was also destroyed (though I don't remember how) that leaves the location and status of one stone unknown. I've alaway like the idea that this last stone is or a least was somehwhere on Tindrock. The idea would be that, when it was running the information gathered on Amon Hen and Amon Llaw would be sent to a central garriosn procted on Tindrock where a trusted and trained indvidual would send the message via said palatir to the king, so he could react to any threats quickly.
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STW mde an interesting point about how Tolkien never wrote the Palantiri into his First Age legends.

I have a theory on why the Elves of Rivendell and Lorien(if they had Palantiri) never made contact with the Orthanc and Ithil Stones. The Palantiri of Numenor were 'configured' solely for the Numenoreans' use and were used for administering their large kingdoms. Maybe they could only communicate with other Numenorean Palantiri. Other Palantiri like those of Rivendell and Lorien(provided they existed) would not be configured to communicate with Numenorean palantiri and therefore could not be used to, say, contact Orthanc.
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I have a theory on why the Elves of Rivendell and Lorien(if they had Palantiri) never made contact with the Orthanc and Ithil Stones. The Palantiri of Numenor were 'configured' solely for the Numenoreans' use and were used for administering their large kingdoms. Maybe they could only communicate with other Numenorean Palantiri. Other Palantiri like those of Rivendell and Lorien(provided they existed) would not be configured to communicate with Numenorean palantiri and therefore could not be used to, say, contact Orthanc.
It would be interesting, but then, why didn't Elrond or Galadriel use these Palantíri - well, in that it would have been mentioned? (as it was said before) Besides that, I believe the Ithil-stone was so strong that all the Palantíri were drawn to it. Also, I just read the chapter "The Palantír". It was obviously after a loong time, if ever, when Gandalf encountered such a thing. Would Elrond have his Palantír hidden from Gandalf? And Galadriel? Why? These things would come handy to the Council. And Saruman would have known. Definitely. There is no way he couldn't. At minimum, he would have known that there were such things and that they still existed and were placed somewhere.

If there were any Palantíri among the Elves, I would expect them to be with Círdan at maximum, but why - when - would they be transported to Rivendell? By the time Elrond settled down there, it was supposed to be a remote "war camp", so to say.

Galadriel had her Mirror. What would she do with the Palantír? Or, where was the Palantír when she was looking into the Mirror?
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