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Meriadoc1961 · 12-07-2007, 10:30 AM

Even in the book the Watcher in the Lake seemed to be working for Sauron, for Gandalf kept his thoughts to himself (I believe it was Gandalf - I am doing this from memory) that out of all the company it was Frodo it attempted to capture. Just Tolkien writing this makes me believe that the Watcher was guided or under orders from Sauron.

Merry

Legate of Amon Lanc · 12-07-2007, 10:42 AM

In the book it could be interpretated that way. But I always thought of it as if that it was some sort of "sixth sense move" from the Watcher, and that it didn't have anything to do with Sauron. Though your interpretation is equally possible (as we know Sauron stirred all evil creatures around that he found. I'd like to call the Watcher an opposite of Gwaihir, as Gwaihir was likewise summoned by Radagast).

William Cloud Hicklin · 12-07-2007, 05:52 PM

Yes, Legate: in The Disaster of the Gladden Fields it's said that the Orcs were 'drawn' by the Ring, even though they hadn't the slightest notion that it was there - it was just some sort of Evil Minion Magnet.

12-07-2007, 10:30 AM	#1
Meriadoc1961 Wight Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 101	Even in the book the Watcher in the Lake seemed to be working for Sauron, for Gandalf kept his thoughts to himself (I believe it was Gandalf - I am doing this from memory) that out of all the company it was Frodo it attempted to capture. Just Tolkien writing this makes me believe that the Watcher was guided or under orders from Sauron. Merry __________________ "If I yawn again, I shall split at the ears!"

12-07-2007, 10:42 AM	#2
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	In the book it could be interpretated that way. But I always thought of it as if that it was some sort of "sixth sense move" from the Watcher, and that it didn't have anything to do with Sauron. Though your interpretation is equally possible (as we know Sauron stirred all evil creatures around that he found. I'd like to call the Watcher an opposite of Gwaihir, as Gwaihir was likewise summoned by Radagast). __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

12-07-2007, 05:52 PM	#3
William Cloud Hicklin Loremaster of Annúminas Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,330	Yes, Legate: in The Disaster of the Gladden Fields it's said that the Orcs were 'drawn' by the Ring, even though they hadn't the slightest notion that it was there - it was just some sort of Evil Minion Magnet. __________________ The entire plot of The Lord of the Rings could be said to turn on what Sauron didn’t know, and when he didn’t know it.