WW XXXX - The scouring of the Shire, vol.2

[Aganzir]

Legate dear, that's definitely not how it works at us. But if you are very hungry, well, maybe you can find something from a certain hobbit's place...

I dislike the way Lommy was immediately saying that Valier was probably killed because she left seer hints. While I agree it sounds the most probable, I think we should not ignore other things that might have contributed to her death, like Lommy seemed to be trying to do.

Menel is making me a bit nervous, mainly because of that "why wasn't I killed during the Night?" attitude. I understand if he's used to getting killed early, but the butter thing and "why not me?"... As if he was trying to convince everybody how surprised even he himself was that he wasn't killed.

Originally Posted by Menel

Please elaborate, Rikae. What do you find suspicious about Macalaure?

A good question and worth asking. But. It reminds me of

Originally Posted by Kuru

I was also made very uncomfortable by her...

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Might you elaborate on that? What helpful or pseudo-helpful have I done that makes you suspect me?

...as if she wants to know what to do differently to cover herself.

It could be interpreted as Menel-wolf having read the thread well and "doing the dirty work" on behalf of his fellow-wolf.

The wolves indeed chose their kill well if we're going to argue the whole day about if Valier's death points at morm's guilt or innocence, the wolves trying to frame him or whatever. It's easy to appear helpful with long posts speculating why a morm-wolf would or would not have killed Valier, and that makes me a little wary about Brinniel, Fea and Volo who did practically nothing else.

Originally Posted by morm

I guess that this is assuming that all four wolves voted...who didn't vote? Shasta and who?

Actually Farael was the other who didn't vote. Legate voted for Nerwen.

edit: xed with two Shastas and a Lommy

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Legate dear, that's definitely not how it works at us. But if you are very hungry, well, maybe you can find something from a certain hobbit's place...

Huh?

Originally Posted by Aganzir

While I agree it sounds the most probable, I think we should not ignore other things that might have contributed to her death, like Lommy seemed to be trying to do.

Okay. Like what? Why do you think Valier died, Aganzir? Way to rip on Lommy and then do what you're criticizing her for.

Originally Posted by Lommy

Feanor of the Peredhil - There really isn't much to go on. She seems somehwat distant, playful and rational all the same time and I really can't say anything about her before she makes the post about her feelings she promised to make.

I did make that post. In 140/165 when I hit edit instead of quote and ended up replacing my list of Val-posts:

Originally Posted by me

Okay.

So I think the wolves killed her to frame morm, like I already said.

But I also think they probably killed her because of how plainly she was expressing her confidence in her gut reactions. Because we all get whims, you know? And we'd like to think we're right. But she said outright that she was sure she was going to discover a wolf.

And whether or not she did discover a wolf, that statement ("I AM going to find you" instead of "so I think I might be right") would be an eye-catcher.

So pretty much I agree with Legate saying

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the wolves said "Look, probably a Seer" (and even if she isn't, why not to try).
and

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Other possibility, likewise probable - morm is not a wolf, but the wolves noticed an opportunity to pass the guilt on someone else. Why not? Solving two problems at once.
So yeah. I think Valier died not because she'd nailed a wolf but because the wolves had a two-birds-with-one-stone philosophy.

At least that's what makes the most sense to me.

Originally Posted by Lil

PLEASE, WHAT MAKES MORM SO SUSPICIOUS?

1) he's morm (that means he's suspicious)
2) he voted for somebody people think looked, in retrospect, seerish
3) that person, who expressed suspicion in him, died in the night
4) he treated the accusation as a joke

To explain 1, mormegil is really good at this game. People who have played with him know it. He's always suspicious because everyone knows that whether or not he's guilty, he's not going to give tell tale signs. It'll be up to luck for them.

For 2 and 3, it makes it look like he's involved in Valier's death.

For 4, which I think is a bad reason to suspect him: he's treating the 'frame job' lightly. I would too. I'd have come back first thing in the morning and started laughing.

Basically, morm has as much of a chance of being a wolf as any of us.

So it's stupid to say "he must be." Because he mustn't.

The thing that makes him that much more suspicious is this:

Knowing what would happen if Valier died in the night, either

a) the wolves set him up with his permission, or
b) they set him up without it.

Either way, I'll flat out and say I think it's obvious that he's being set up. This series of events just doesn't happen without that being the case.

The wolves cast suspicion on him, regardless of his role. They knew that he'd be spotlighted today. They knew he'd be an entire Day's worth of distraction.

The suspicion lays entirely in whether or not morm knew what was going to happen before it happened.

Pretty much, the village is wasting their time chasing him around when all of the evidence is circumstantial at best. Either a wolf or he's not. We could kill him to find out, but I think we're wasting our debate on him. I think the wolves are probably sitting back and giggling.

Originally Posted by Brinniel

# 40: Doesn't think Day 1 psots will have substance. There's nothing to go on since the wolves have nothing to hide.

Just to clarify: I think Day 1 posts have substance. I just don't think it's the kind you can see while they're being said. It's a 20/20 hindsight thing. I think that as days progress, Day 1 always makes a lot more sense.

I'm going back to bed. Somebody wake me up in time to do homework.