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Knight of Gondor · 01-23-2004, 08:54 PM

Well, since Tolkien was in control, he didn't let that happen... [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Lolidir · 01-12-2005, 09:06 PM

first of all Gandalf killed the balrog. assuming that the balrog lived that would mean that Gandalf would have died, and there was no way that that was going to happen, so that takes care of the balrog. as for Smaug. it is hard to say how thing would have happened. i think that is Snaug were to have survived Laketown and everything things would have ended there. if you go back to The Hobbit and look it states that the dwarves and Bilbo were trapped in the tunnel and if Smaug was to survive they wouldnt have been able to escape. so there you have it. you wouldnt have had LOTR if Smaug was to survive.

i must agree with Knight of Gondor. Tolkien was writing the book and he didnt let that happen. if he did only he would know where he was going to go with the story.

Tuor of Gondolin · 01-12-2005, 09:35 PM

Yes, And "if Elves could fly over mountains, they might fetch the Sun to save" Lorien. But Tolkien must have something (plot) to work on.

Boromir88 · 01-13-2005, 04:41 PM

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first of all Gandalf killed the balrog. assuming that the balrog lived that would mean that Gandalf would have died, and there was no way that that was going to happen, so that takes care of the balrog.

Gandalf did die.

As for if it attacked Lorien. Hmm, I would say Galadriel would be able to defeat it, but I don't know if she would risk it or not. Since, you can't kill a balrog without sacrificing your own life (atleast telling from the history of Balrog slayings). I wonder if Elrond would have sent Glorfindel to do the dirty work, because I don't really even see Celeborn defeating the Balrog.

I don't see any reason why the Balrog would get the sudden urge to attack Lorien, but it is an interesting what if question.

Gurthang · 01-13-2005, 05:39 PM

Spending time on 'what ifs' is pretty much a waste, but, hey, needless speculation is really fun sometimes.

Well, Lothlorien had a lot of archers, and considering they were probably as good or better than Bard, Smaug would have been shot down pretty quickly. The Balrog would have been a bit more trouble, but the elves could swarm if they had to.

The newscast would be like this:

Dan Rathelf: "It's nothing like I've ever seen! I'm seeing a mad herd of elves trampling over a Balrog. And this just in, over at Pelennor Fields, we're receiving a report that at this same instant there is an army of undead warriors swarming a Mumakul! What a coincidence! This could be just the thing to change the outcome of these battles."

And that just leaves a bunch of pansy orcs to deal with. Childsplay!

Boromir88 · 01-13-2005, 05:47 PM

They wouldn't be able to simply over-run the Balrog because of their numbers. Their weapons would have been no use (remember Aragorn and Boromir trying to join Gandalf in the fight, they wouldn't have been able to do anything). It would take someone like Gandalf, or a powerful elf lord/lady like Glorfindel, Galadriel, or possibly Elrond.

01-13-2005, 06:25 PM

And then let's say that all the orcs mutated into trolls and went on a rampage! (Just kidding

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Perhaps there... *quits posting*

01-23-2004, 08:54 PM	#1
Knight of Gondor Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 744	Well, since Tolkien was in control, he didn't let that happen... [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ Eagerly awaiting the REAL Return of the King - Jesus Christ! Revelation 19:11-16

01-12-2005, 09:06 PM	#2
Lolidir Wight Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Roaming the plains of Middle Earth Posts: 103	first of all Gandalf killed the balrog. assuming that the balrog lived that would mean that Gandalf would have died, and there was no way that that was going to happen, so that takes care of the balrog. as for Smaug. it is hard to say how thing would have happened. i think that is Snaug were to have survived Laketown and everything things would have ended there. if you go back to The Hobbit and look it states that the dwarves and Bilbo were trapped in the tunnel and if Smaug was to survive they wouldnt have been able to escape. so there you have it. you wouldnt have had LOTR if Smaug was to survive. i must agree with Knight of Gondor. Tolkien was writing the book and he didnt let that happen. if he did only he would know where he was going to go with the story. __________________ "Its a dangerous business, Frodo, going out your door. You step into the Road, and if you don't keep your feet, there is no knowing where you might be swept off to"

01-12-2005, 09:35 PM	#3
Tuor of Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pennsylvania, WtR, passed Sarn Gebir: Above the rapids (1239 miles) BtR, passed Black Rider Stopping Place (31 miles) Posts: 1,548	Yes, And "if Elves could fly over mountains, they might fetch the Sun to save" Lorien. But Tolkien must have something (plot) to work on. __________________ Aure Entuluva!

01-13-2005, 05:39 PM	#5
Gurthang Sword of Spirit Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Oh, I'm around. Posts: 1,401	Wasting Time... Spending time on 'what ifs' is pretty much a waste, but, hey, needless speculation is really fun sometimes. Well, Lothlorien had a lot of archers, and considering they were probably as good or better than Bard, Smaug would have been shot down pretty quickly. The Balrog would have been a bit more trouble, but the elves could swarm if they had to. The newscast would be like this: Dan Rathelf: "It's nothing like I've ever seen! I'm seeing a mad herd of elves trampling over a Balrog. And this just in, over at Pelennor Fields, we're receiving a report that at this same instant there is an army of undead warriors swarming a Mumakul! What a coincidence! This could be just the thing to change the outcome of these battles." And that just leaves a bunch of pansy orcs to deal with. Childsplay! __________________ I'm on a Mission from God.

01-13-2005, 06:25 PM	#7
Maura Guest Posts: n/a	Another what if... And then let's say that all the orcs mutated into trolls and went on a rampage! (Just kidding ) Perhaps there... quits posting

01-13-2005, 05:47 PM	#6
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,521	They wouldn't be able to simply over-run the Balrog because of their numbers. Their weapons would have been no use (remember Aragorn and Boromir trying to join Gandalf in the fight, they wouldn't have been able to do anything). It would take someone like Gandalf, or a powerful elf lord/lady like Glorfindel, Galadriel, or possibly Elrond.