WW XXXIX - Do Werebalrogs have wings? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Nerwen · 11-19-2007, 05:25 AM

Something I'd like to mention now, in case I die toDay or toNight– I have an impression that Kate and Legate support and defend each other an awful lot. People may want to read through their posts on previous Days.

They can't both be balrogs.

Are they the lovers?

Edit: Don't assume that, if so, one of them's a balrog. I'm not sure how the love-triangle-whatever-thing works.

Nogrod · 11-19-2007, 07:38 AM

Interesting thoughts Nerwen. Sadly I don´t have time or energy to go deep in to them but I´m feeling quite good about your contributions right now.

And I do agree with you wholeheartedly. We really should remember that practically no one TM spoke about we can´t be sure about.

It´s also interesting to consider the choices of the balrogs: Volo, The Might, Gil-Galad. And look at the accuracy! A cobbler, the seer, the hunter...

I´d say that´s not too bad!

It´s also interesting to see fex. both myself and Legate still alive, untouched by those creatures of fire and flame. So have they been afraid of the ranger or is Legate the remaining one?

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Originally Posted by Nerwen

They can't both be balrogs.
Are they the lovers?
Edit: Don't assume that, if so, one of them's a balrog. I'm not sure how the love-triangle-whatever-thing works.

Allright. Maybe we should then speak openly about our beliefs about Legate and Kath - and anyhow Nerwen brought it to the fore already so it´s not hidden anymore.

I thought that already yesterDay. But as I was afraid that the lover-triangle would have been the cobbler - the hunter - an ordo* I was afraid to speak it out (thinking Legate as the hunter then) as there were chances the balrogs hadn´t noticed their seeming alliance.

The dilemma number 1 now is whether we should think the other part of the duo to be a balrog or not. According to that belief we should then either try to protect them or lynch them...

Dilemma no. 2 is for the ranger to make the decision conserning #1 if they´re still alive in a situation where I´m probably also alive.

With only one balrog left the balrog knows exactly what the situation is.

The fundamental dilemma surely goes: do we have a correct interpretation here about The Legate and Kath as lovers. We can be wrong about it as well.

*That would have been quite balanced as both the cobbler and the hunter are double-edged creatures able of doing good and harm to the side they represent.

Mithalwen · 11-19-2007, 07:44 AM

Sorry late and have much to catch up on. I will be back later ... I think Legate / Kath is plausible..

My late vote - so sorry .... was ready to vote earlier for Brin for suspicions expressed earlier but then got seduced by the lets keep the talkers argument and Sally seemed odd .. her good bye post decided me she was a hapless innocent .. but not quite in time..... sorry

Nogrod · 11-19-2007, 07:55 AM

I´m losing my last minutes this time and I have no idea whom to vote...

Happily there´s only one person around who wishes us bad and tries to twist our voting. The rest is our own bad choices.

Okay. I think it´s a duty to vote but now it feels I don´t have enough information.

I try to come back with a vote still... later

Nerwen · 11-19-2007, 08:40 AM

Nogrod I've been thinking about them for a while, too. I didn't like to say anything, for the same reasons you gave, including the doubt over their roles (which was one of the things that decided me in voting Brinniel).

But I thought I'd better speak up in case I'm killed soon, which I think is on the cards.

If they're innocent (lovers or not), I've probably just sicked the last balrog onto them. However, we do employ a Ranger to deal with these cases.

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The fundamental dilemma surely goes: do we have a correct interpretation here about The Legate and Kath as lovers. We can be wrong about it as well.

Of course.

Kath has a good reason to defend Legate (and you)– if you two are innocent then it's more likely that The Might dreamed about you, and therefore couldn't have dreamed she was guilty.

Same with Legate, only in reverse.

Or they could have just been acting out of honest belief in each other's innocence, with no ulterior motives. They've always put up pretty convincing arguments, as I recall.

I don't know. It's highly ambiguous. Arguably, somebody else might conclude that the lovers were you and I, since you've defended me a few times.

The question right now is, who the hell do we lynch tonight?

Edit: crossed with Mith and Nogrod

Nerwen · 11-19-2007, 08:53 AM

Out of interest, Mithalwen what was in Sally's post? I missed that part, and it seems she changed it back again.

Thinlómien · 11-19-2007, 12:56 PM

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Mithalwen · 11-19-2007, 01:00 PM

Only now been able ot access the downs and believe Lom will give us a little grace.

REally need to read but for teh record, sally originally said somethiong like "well since I am going ot die and this will be my last post - it has been fun.. good luck hunting balrogs and hope ot play with you all again".

I had just convinced myself that maybe her play smacked of werebeastery rather than just inexperience when that appeared. I couldn't believe that a balrog would have posted but wondered about the ethics of changing my vote in the circumstances .... I decided sadly just too late ...

At least Gil redeemed the situation ....

Kath · 11-19-2007, 01:07 PM

Yup, yup, Lommy has given us some leeway.

Alright, I can't wait for Legate to turn up so here we go. He and I are indeed lovers, but we pose no threat to you, being both innocents and so completely on your side. Given that you've practically revealed us anyway we really need to get this last balrog toDay or we're going to die tonight. Even with our Ranger still alive they'll only be able to protect one of us so there's a 50% chance of us dying, and that really takes down the numbers.

Considering this information, I'd say our list of possible balrogs consists of those I listed earlier.

Mith
Shasta
Nerwen
Naria

Honestly I don't know which of these I would consider a balrog. Mith perhaps the least, she doesn't seem panicked enough for being the last balrog left. Nerwen perhaps most as with Mac and Brinn not being particularly verbose I could see the final balrog being pretty talkative and she has been.

Mithalwen · 11-19-2007, 01:11 PM

Well Kath, you knopw I can never trust you ducky darling but if you speak true then the list is reduced to Nerwen, Naria and Shasta. Not totally discounting Nog ...

Legate of Amon Lanc · 11-19-2007, 01:10 PM

Of course, the Downs were down for quite some time. Sooo... anyway, we have one hour to make up our minds. *ahem* What to say? I cannot be 100% sure but I would like to have the naive hope that we can catch the remaining balrog today.

Concerning the lovers discussion, yes, we confess. We are both innocent lovers (neither a balrog). That is why I am inclined to think that there is one of the balrogs among Shasta and Naria. I know this is making my perspective as small as it can be - even Mithalwen or Nerwen could be one, but that's very improbable.

EDIT: x-ed with Kath. Now you have that here.

11-19-2007, 07:44 AM	#3
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Sorry late and have much to catch up on. I will be back later ... I think Legate / Kath is plausible.. My late vote - so sorry .... was ready to vote earlier for Brin for suspicions expressed earlier but then got seduced by the lets keep the talkers argument and Sally seemed odd .. her good bye post decided me she was a hapless innocent .. but not quite in time..... sorry __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

11-19-2007, 07:55 AM	#4
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	I´m losing my last minutes this time and I have no idea whom to vote... Happily there´s only one person around who wishes us bad and tries to twist our voting. The rest is our own bad choices. Okay. I think it´s a duty to vote but now it feels I don´t have enough information. I try to come back with a vote still... later __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

11-19-2007, 12:56 PM	#7
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	I have postponed the deadline. You have 1 hour and 4 minutes to post. More info on the admin thread. __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

11-19-2007, 01:00 PM	#8
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Only now been able ot access the downs and believe Lom will give us a little grace. REally need to read but for teh record, sally originally said somethiong like "well since I am going ot die and this will be my last post - it has been fun.. good luck hunting balrogs and hope ot play with you all again". I had just convinced myself that maybe her play smacked of werebeastery rather than just inexperience when that appeared. I couldn't believe that a balrog would have posted but wondered about the ethics of changing my vote in the circumstances .... I decided sadly just too late ... At least Gil redeemed the situation .... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

11-19-2007, 01:11 PM	#10
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Well Kath, you knopw I can never trust you ducky darling but if you speak true then the list is reduced to Nerwen, Naria and Shasta. Not totally discounting Nog ... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

11-19-2007, 05:25 AM	#1
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	Something I'd like to mention now, in case I die toDay or toNight– I have an impression that Kate and Legate support and defend each other an awful lot. People may want to read through their posts on previous Days. They can't both be balrogs. Are they the lovers? Edit: Don't assume that, if so, one of them's a balrog. I'm not sure how the love-triangle-whatever-thing works. Last edited by Nerwen; 11-19-2007 at 05:36 AM. Reason: Adding another comment, correcting spelling.

11-19-2007, 08:53 AM	#6
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	Out of interest, Mithalwen what was in Sally's post? I missed that part, and it seems she changed it back again.

11-19-2007, 01:07 PM	#9
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,533	Yup, yup, Lommy has given us some leeway. Alright, I can't wait for Legate to turn up so here we go. He and I are indeed lovers, but we pose no threat to you, being both innocents and so completely on your side. Given that you've practically revealed us anyway we really need to get this last balrog toDay or we're going to die tonight. Even with our Ranger still alive they'll only be able to protect one of us so there's a 50% chance of us dying, and that really takes down the numbers. Considering this information, I'd say our list of possible balrogs consists of those I listed earlier. Mith Shasta Nerwen Naria Honestly I don't know which of these I would consider a balrog. Mith perhaps the least, she doesn't seem panicked enough for being the last balrog left. Nerwen perhaps most as with Mac and Brinn not being particularly verbose I could see the final balrog being pretty talkative and she has been.

11-19-2007, 01:10 PM	#11
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Of course, the Downs were down for quite some time. Sooo... anyway, we have one hour to make up our minds. ahem What to say? I cannot be 100% sure but I would like to have the naive hope that we can catch the remaining balrog today. Concerning the lovers discussion, yes, we confess. We are both innocent lovers (neither a balrog). That is why I am inclined to think that there is one of the balrogs among Shasta and Naria. I know this is making my perspective as small as it can be - even Mithalwen or Nerwen could be one, but that's very improbable. EDIT: x-ed with Kath. Now you have that here. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories