Split Personality? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Sauron the White · 10-06-2007, 07:17 AM

After reading and rereading the points made by several people here, I do admit that it makes sense now. This particular point from davem rings true

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Sauron has arisen again & is about to destroy us & take over the world & we thought there was nothing we could do but surrender or go down fighting. Now, however, we have found his Ring, his one vulnerability. If we can destroy the Ring we can destroy him. If he gets hold of it again our only chance to defeat him will be gone.

Sauron doesn't need the Ring to win, he just needs to stop any enemy capable of using it claiming it for himself (or, though this never crossed his mind, destroying it)

That does make sense and fits in with some of the Council speeches. I thank all of you - Morwen, alatar, Quempel and littlemanpoet for making good arguements. Findulias said

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Some of us are willing to concede to minor mistakes. But do you really expect any of us people who defend the books so much that you call us 'purists' to concede that the very foundation of the book and incredible story is faulty? That's really asking a lot.

Kind of makes me feel like Homer Simpson and should say "DOH".

I do think that the whole Sauron needs the ring appears at first to be a contradiction... but you have all explained that to me to my satisfaction. I guess he really did not need it and that was the weakness in my position.

I am learning that sometimes looking at this stuff is like somebody from the 19th century explaining why a huge battleship made of metal and concrete could never float. The more you learn, the more it makes sense. Thanks to all.

alatar · 10-06-2007, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Sauron the White

I am learning that sometimes looking at this stuff is like somebody from the 19th century explaining why a huge battleship made of metal and concrete could never float. The more you learn, the more it makes sense. Thanks to all.

What happened? Don't tell me you suddenly believe a laden Dwarf can run 135 miles in 3.5 days?!? My heart can only take so much...

William Cloud Hicklin · 10-06-2007, 08:53 AM

Is that an African Dwarf or a European Dwarf?

Sauron the White · 10-06-2007, 08:57 AM

The dwarf run all those miles?????

NEVER!!!!!!

littlemanpoet · 10-06-2007, 06:13 PM

AND NOW BACK TO OUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED SPLIT PERSONALITY....

alatar · 10-06-2007, 08:31 PM

So when Gollum finally regains the Ring before he takes his lava swim, is he Smeagol, Gollum or still the split personality?

Folwren · 10-06-2007, 08:41 PM

Not Smeagol. I believe Smeagol was before the Ring...not an innocent figure, but certainly more innocent than the creature that owned the Ring.

He was Gollum...Gollum as Gollum was when Bilbo took his Precious. Not happy, but able to survive and willing to be consumed.

10-06-2007, 08:53 AM	#3
William Cloud Hicklin Loremaster of Annúminas Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,330	Is that an African Dwarf or a European Dwarf? __________________ The entire plot of The Lord of the Rings could be said to turn on what Sauron didn’t know, and when he didn’t know it.

10-06-2007, 08:31 PM	#6
alatar Doubting Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Heaven's basement Posts: 2,466	You complete me... So when Gollum finally regains the Ring before he takes his lava swim, is he Smeagol, Gollum or still the split personality? __________________ There is naught that you can do, other than to resist, with hope or without it.

10-06-2007, 08:41 PM	#7
Folwren Messenger of Hope Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a tiny, insignificant little town in one of the many States. Posts: 5,076	Not Smeagol. I believe Smeagol was before the Ring...not an innocent figure, but certainly more innocent than the creature that owned the Ring. He was Gollum...Gollum as Gollum was when Bilbo took his Precious. Not happy, but able to survive and willing to be consumed. __________________ A young man who wishes to remain a sound atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. - C.S. Lewis

10-06-2007, 08:57 AM	#4
Sauron the White Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 903	The dwarf run all those miles????? *NEVER!!!!!!*

10-06-2007, 06:13 PM	#5
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	AND NOW BACK TO OUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED SPLIT PERSONALITY....