Time to fix Gandalf versus the Witchking - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Finduilas · 09-27-2007, 10:15 AM

Well, of course. As I said, I don't like the Gandalf part. I don't like any of the changes that ruin/cowardize any of the characters. No movie maker has that right, though I do beleive he has a right to make such changes as I meantioned above.

Sauron the White · 09-27-2007, 05:45 PM

JUst reread the section in the book and watched it in the EE of ROTK. I would have preferred it have stuck closer to the book especially with the flaming crown. I always liked that touch a great deal. But I did not see the film depiction as anything near cowardice on the part of Gandalf. I think Jackson was trying to show just how powerful the WK is which makes the upcoming scene with Eowyn even more powerful and dramatic.

Sure, Gandalf is unhorsed and both he and Shadowfax show a lot more reaction than in the book. But I took his facial expressions on the ground to mean he was marshalling his strength for a return volley with the Witchking. But before that can happen, we get the horns blowing and the WK departs.

I think it works this way - and there is nothing wrong with it - but I would have liked to see it a bit more like the book.

alatar · 09-27-2007, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Sauron the White

I think Jackson was trying to show just how powerful the WK is which makes the upcoming scene with Eowyn even more powerful and dramatic.

...which he then kills with Eowyn, Witch-King's bane, shown almost crying as she flees from the gimpy Gothmog.

Sauron the White · 09-27-2007, 08:37 PM

Eowyn killing the WK was a moment of great heroism and strength. It so sapped her of energy and strength that she was reduced to temporary physical weakness. Kind of like an untrained Dwarf running a 26 mile marathon then crawling to the refreshment tent .... oh never mind

alatar · 09-27-2007, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Sauron the White

Eowyn killing the WK was a moment of great heroism and strength. It so sapped her of energy and strength that she was reduced to temporary physical weakness. Kind of like an untrained Dwarf running a 26 mile marathon then crawling to the refreshment tent .... oh never mind

PJ just didn't know when to stop. I'd been happy if Eowyn used up her last molecule of glycogen slaying the foul dwimmerlaik, swooned and knelt to hear Theoden's last words before 'dying' herself. But nooo...

Knight of Gondor · 09-28-2007, 07:58 AM

If you people don't shut up about the glycogen...

Finduilas · 09-28-2007, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Knight of Gondor

If you people don't shut up about the glycogen...

Seriously... start your own glycogen arguement thread...

09-27-2007, 10:15 AM	#1
Finduilas Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Home. Where rolling green hills and clear rivers are practically my backyard. Posts: 595	Well, of course. As I said, I don't like the Gandalf part. I don't like any of the changes that ruin/cowardize any of the characters. No movie maker has that right, though I do beleive he has a right to make such changes as I meantioned above. __________________ One (1) book of rules and traffic regulations, which may not be bent or broken. ~ The Phantom Tollbooth

09-28-2007, 07:58 AM	#6
Knight of Gondor Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 744	If you people don't shut up about the glycogen... __________________ Eagerly awaiting the REAL Return of the King - Jesus Christ! Revelation 19:11-16

09-27-2007, 05:45 PM	#2
Sauron the White Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 903	JUst reread the section in the book and watched it in the EE of ROTK. I would have preferred it have stuck closer to the book especially with the flaming crown. I always liked that touch a great deal. But I did not see the film depiction as anything near cowardice on the part of Gandalf. I think Jackson was trying to show just how powerful the WK is which makes the upcoming scene with Eowyn even more powerful and dramatic. Sure, Gandalf is unhorsed and both he and Shadowfax show a lot more reaction than in the book. But I took his facial expressions on the ground to mean he was marshalling his strength for a return volley with the Witchking. But before that can happen, we get the horns blowing and the WK departs. I think it works this way - and there is nothing wrong with it - but I would have liked to see it a bit more like the book.

09-27-2007, 08:37 PM	#4
Sauron the White Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 903	Eowyn killing the WK was a moment of great heroism and strength. It so sapped her of energy and strength that she was reduced to temporary physical weakness. Kind of like an untrained Dwarf running a 26 mile marathon then crawling to the refreshment tent .... oh never mind