Greatest sin of Peter Jackson

[Kath]

It's catchy, man!

It really is! Though the lyrics don't make much sense. 'We don't want to go to war today but the lord of the lash says nay, nay, nay.' Huh? Still, I might have to find the rest of that version. A good rainy day film methinks.

[alatar]

Originally Posted by Kath

It really is! Though the lyrics don't make much sense. 'We don't want to go to war today but the lord of the lash says nay, nay, nay.' Huh? Still, I might have to find the rest of that version. A good rainy day film methinks.

These orcs were reluctant to fight as they'd rather be crooning.

• They don't want to go to war - like the orcs that Sam and Frodo overhear in Mordor wanting to set out on their own.

• The lord of the lash, presumably Sauron the Eye with long lashes (really it's a whip) says, "No" in that He wants them to go to war.

Make more sense? Don't worry, when you've heard it replayed in your head about a billion times, it'll sink in.

[Lalwendë]

Originally Posted by davem

Not to mention an amazing Saruman.

Although I thought every Christmas had arrived at once with the casting of Christopher Lee as Saruman - he just owns the role. Shame he was done such a disservice in the final film. Wholly disrespectful to a great actor. And all this even though my mental image of Saruman is very different - a bit like Ming The Merciless from Flash Gordon but with hair...

Originally Posted by Alatar

And therein lies the problem. It's like a modern day version of Frodo's experience with the One Ring as he crawled across the Gorgoroth. The Whip song burns itself into your mind, and you can never ever again be free of its call.

There is, however, a rather good metal version of it that can be heard in the film Ringers. Somehow singing about whips makes sense if set to pounding rock music

[davem]

Originally Posted by Lalwendë

Although I thought every Christmas had arrived at once with the casting of Christopher Lee as Saruman - he just owns the role. Shame he was done such a disservice in the final film. Wholly disrespectful to a great actor. And all this even though my mental image of Saruman is very different - a bit like Ming The Merciless from Flash Gordon but with hair...

The BBC Saruman slaps down Eomer....http://www.istad.org/bbc/saruman.mp3

Frodo slaps down Gollum http://www.istad.org/bbc/gollum.mp3

And a very good piece on the series http://www.squidoo.com/audiolotr/

[Quempel]

Green Army of the dead.
Tying ring to Arwen.
Making Arwen a weak girly elf.
Elrond being a snob.
Comic Relief Gimli (boo) (really boo)
Surfing Legolas a.k.a. Teenage boy Legolas.
Farting Hobbits.

[obloquy]

Wait a second, can we back up? "Howsumever"?

well I'll add my 2 gold here as someone who has read the four books (yes I'm counting the Hobbit in here folks) for over 30+ years now I loved the movies, the expanded versions he released are even better IMHO, my only regrett is that he PJ didn't film the Battle for the Shire which he even stated was the least favorite part of books, i've seen the RB film, hell saw it in the theater and own a dvd of it....overall I'm very pleased with the movies and yes hopefully I'll still be around in 35 years to watch them.

[davem]

Originally Posted by obloquy

Wait a second, can we back up? "Howsumever"?

Eng. coloq., innit?

[Knight of Gondor]

Originally Posted by Quempel

Green Army of the dead.
Tying ring to Arwen.
Making Arwen a weak girly elf.
Elrond being a snob.
Comic Relief Gimli (boo) (really boo)
Surfing Legolas a.k.a. Teenage boy Legolas.
Farting Hobbits.

Green army of the dead was okay...why not?

Dittos on Arwen. Elrond was harsh, could have shown more of his father-figure treatments of Aragorn. But since they made Aragorn hesitant to claim the throne, perhaps Elrond was being hard on him to get him to buck up.

I don't know WHAT you're talking about with the hobbits?

Another mistake was in weakening Faramir's character.

Do we have a comprehensive list of these yet?

[ArathorofBarahir]

I agree that it is sad that more people have seen the movies than have read the books and that many of those people think the movies are better than the books. For me both the books and the movies are fantastic in their own right and while the movies have their drawbacks I still don't feel the need to bash them. Yeah, they're not perfect...but they're still great.