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Rikae · 09-05-2007, 08:51 PM

Well, I don't know how obviously I need to put this - I didn't get the point across yesterDay, but maybe that's for the best now.

I KNOW that Brinniel is evil. Brinniel and Espiem were not on the same side.

++Brinniel

Brinniel · 09-06-2007, 12:27 AM

Two deaths last night? It's already been hinted before, but obviously we really have more wolves to watch out for..

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Originally Posted by Rikae

I KNOW that Brinniel is evil. Brinniel and Espiem were not on the same side.

How do you KNOW this? It is not uncommon for two innocents to go after one another; something the wolves love to play with as I learned in my first game. And it happened again...I made a mistake.

Rikae's confidence on this matter doesn't look too good. I hope you have a better explanation than that. An innocent should not be so confident.

Obviously, I need to rethink some things since my previous judgement was so off. I only hope Shasta will manage to write up a narration so we can understand last Night's events better.

Isabellkya · 09-06-2007, 03:13 AM

May I ask how you know that Brinniel is evil Rikae?

It is quite a lofty claim I must say. I had been tempted to vote for Brinniel today, due to actions during the last hour of yesterDay.

Due to the amount of people in this game, I am doubting that there are two wolf teams, per the two kills. I also doubt that the wolf team would get two kills in one night, it seems to be a bit overpowered.

What is it, the Hunter; who has a shot or something and tries to go after the wolves?

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 09-06-2007, 05:46 AM

According to Cailín leprechauns are associated with the earth and the land. Now, Menel's death was at night, and did not occur at the same time as Durelin's, which is what would normally happen in the case of a Hunter kill. But perhaps the mod is being misleading. Is it likely that Durelin would have chosen Menel?

Rikae could be a seer, but she could just as easily be lying. If she is lying, and is evil, then we can accept her certainty of Brinniel's guilt and lose the game. We don't know if there is a seer, so even if someone makes an explicit claim we cannot believe them. This situation is too convenient for the wicked.

But we really must know what happened yesterday and last night.

Brinniel · 09-06-2007, 09:43 AM

About Durelin:

I admit, all I really know about leprechauns is that they're associated with mischief, which makes me suspect she was a baddie. Since we still don't have any narration to help us, I did some research to see if I could find out more. And then this caught my eye:

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Originally Posted by Wikipedia

They usually take the form of old men who enjoy partaking in mischief. Their trade is that of a cobbler or shoemaker.

I'm now feeling quite sure Durelin was our cobbler.

But why the death of two ordinaries? Shasta hinted that there were "assorted baddies." I can only guess that this must be true, as I cannot think of any other explanation.

Kath · 09-06-2007, 09:52 AM

So was Durelin a baddie or a goodie? If we're actually going by leprechaun lore I don't know that she was either. They're supposed to be bringers of luck, but that can be either good or bad luck. I suppose though that we'd better hope she was a baddie, as we still don't have any idea how many of those are left.

As to the deaths from last Night, well I was obviously wrong about Sauce, but why did the baddies go after him? He was pretty much roundly suspected yesterDay and surely it would have served them better to leave him alive and allow everyone to argue over him again? Menel - well I thought at first that it was a mod kill as I couldn't recall him voting, but I've just gone back and checked and he did so it seems we have yet another agent at work.

On to toDay - Rikae, how can you be so sure Brinniel is guilty? I've had my suspicions of her and they haven't decreased, but you seem so certain. I recall there being a role once where someone could see whether two people are connected, have you something like that? I know that's it's against all normalcy to actually ask someone to reveal, but you do seem to have pretty much done so anyway and a bit of certainty in these games is always good.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 09-06-2007, 09:59 AM

We have thought long and hard about this. Actually knowing what happened yesterday and last night, and the whole leprechaun business, would be mighty useful; but we have reached these conclusions regardless.

Kath is likely innocent. We'd be very surprised if she wasn't, simply because of her vote for Nogrod. This is even more so if there were only ever 2 wolves, which is a real possibility.

Izzy is also likely innocent. We'd be less surprised if she was wolvish than if Kath was, but nevertheless we find Nogrod's behaviour towards her speaks in her favour.

Which leaves us with the other two, who have been conveniently attacking each other. We see a few scenarios which are possible, so let us guide you through them:

Perhaps: both Rikae and Brinniel are wolves. Rikae is attacking Brinniel with verve, in the hope of establishing her own innocence by slaying her ally. She is throwing in hints that she is a Seer.

Perhaps: Rikae is a remaining wolf, and Brinniel is innocent, then it seems quite certain that either Kath or Izzy has been hiding a furry secret. This would not be a good scenario, because Brinniel is favourite to die today, and the death of an innocent Brinniel would end this village. We find this scenario unlikely, though.

Perhaps: Rikae is indeed a seer, or just a completely accurate villager, and Brinniel is a wolf. Lynching her today is our best option.

When we kill Brinniel, and discover her wolvish ways, what will happen? If the game continues then obviously there remains one wolf. If it is not Rikae then she will be killed, because a wolf must assume that she is indeed a seer. However, if Rikae remains alive, which we believe will happen, the village will have found its last wolf. Which means that Kath and Izzy should unite to kill her.

There is an obvious problem with this, though we believe it may be possible to solve it. If, say, Kath is the last wolf, then she could kill The Warriors of Finn and convince Izzy to help her kill the innocent Rikae. We believe there is a way, which the true seer shall know, to prove her magical ways. Obviously we cannot suggest it; but we hope the seer would know what we refer to.

Lots of scenarios, lots of possible outcomes. Currently, we believe that both Brinniel and Rikae are evil, and we will most likely vote for Brinniel today.

Another point. Notice the posts of today, after the mod threw out the crazy concept of the leprechaun. Rikae made a very single-minded post; Brinniel, who said something about 2 wolf kills, which is at odds with what happened on the first night, did not make much sense, nor did she try to get discussion going. Hers was a mere retort to Rikae. Only Izzy volunteered some notable thoughts on the strange events which had obviously happened.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 09-06-2007, 10:13 AM

We need info from the mod. Perhaps this day should be extended, because there are things we should have known about at the start of the day.

If Durelin was a simple Hunter, we doubt that there is also a seer.

The boy looked at each of the ten. Mist began to swirl around one of them, entering the body and glowing for a moment, before settling to normal astonishingly quickly. The boy smiled.

"The land itself has taken a hand, it seems. Well and good. Your task shall be thus; each day, talk amongst yourselves. Gain information. Decide who is to be trusted, and who is not. At the end of the day, I will return, and you will give me a name. That name will be.... removed. But beware! Night brings things best left unmentioned. I fear for you all."

This quotation from the initial game post suggests that there is one gifted. If Durelin was on our side then we lost a gifted. However, if she was some sort of cobbler-hunter hybrid, then we reckon that there were only ever 2 wolves; and the gifted is still among us.

Which obviously suggests a seer-Rikae and a wolf-Brinniel.

So please: what the hell is a leprechaun?

Rikae · 09-06-2007, 11:04 AM

I am a weaver, basically - I can tell whether two people are on the same side or not, but I don't know what side that is.

Brinn and SPaM were not on the same side, but Eolin and Menel were.

As for the question of tomorrow, I can't imagine Shasta would have burdened us with more than three baddies in such a small group. I'm inclined to think that Menel's death was either linked somehow to Duralin (perhaps the leprechaun's kills are delayed?) or some type of assassin among us.

09-06-2007, 03:13 AM	#3
Isabellkya Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Amongst trees. Posts: 919	May I ask how you know that Brinniel is evil Rikae? It is quite a lofty claim I must say. I had been tempted to vote for Brinniel today, due to actions during the last hour of yesterDay. Due to the amount of people in this game, I am doubting that there are two wolf teams, per the two kills. I also doubt that the wolf team would get two kills in one night, it seems to be a bit overpowered. What is it, the Hunter; who has a shot or something and tries to go after the wolves? __________________ But I was clinging to her like a homicidal monkey.

09-06-2007, 05:46 AM	#4
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	According to Cailín leprechauns are associated with the earth and the land. Now, Menel's death was at night, and did not occur at the same time as Durelin's, which is what would normally happen in the case of a Hunter kill. But perhaps the mod is being misleading. Is it likely that Durelin would have chosen Menel? Rikae could be a seer, but she could just as easily be lying. If she is lying, and is evil, then we can accept her certainty of Brinniel's guilt and lose the game. We don't know if there is a seer, so even if someone makes an explicit claim we cannot believe them. This situation is too convenient for the wicked. But we really must know what happened yesterday and last night. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

09-06-2007, 09:52 AM	#6
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,533	So was Durelin a baddie or a goodie? If we're actually going by leprechaun lore I don't know that she was either. They're supposed to be bringers of luck, but that can be either good or bad luck. I suppose though that we'd better hope she was a baddie, as we still don't have any idea how many of those are left. As to the deaths from last Night, well I was obviously wrong about Sauce, but why did the baddies go after him? He was pretty much roundly suspected yesterDay and surely it would have served them better to leave him alive and allow everyone to argue over him again? Menel - well I thought at first that it was a mod kill as I couldn't recall him voting, but I've just gone back and checked and he did so it seems we have yet another agent at work. On to toDay - Rikae, how can you be so sure Brinniel is guilty? I've had my suspicions of her and they haven't decreased, but you seem so certain. I recall there being a role once where someone could see whether two people are connected, have you something like that? I know that's it's against all normalcy to actually ask someone to reveal, but you do seem to have pretty much done so anyway and a bit of certainty in these games is always good. __________________ “If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.”

09-06-2007, 09:59 AM	#7
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	The Warriors of Finn cast judgement We have thought long and hard about this. Actually knowing what happened yesterday and last night, and the whole leprechaun business, would be mighty useful; but we have reached these conclusions regardless. Kath is likely innocent. We'd be very surprised if she wasn't, simply because of her vote for Nogrod. This is even more so if there were only ever 2 wolves, which is a real possibility. Izzy is also likely innocent. We'd be less surprised if she was wolvish than if Kath was, but nevertheless we find Nogrod's behaviour towards her speaks in her favour. Which leaves us with the other two, who have been conveniently attacking each other. We see a few scenarios which are possible, so let us guide you through them: Perhaps: both Rikae and Brinniel are wolves. Rikae is attacking Brinniel with verve, in the hope of establishing her own innocence by slaying her ally. She is throwing in hints that she is a Seer. Perhaps: Rikae is a remaining wolf, and Brinniel is innocent, then it seems quite certain that either Kath or Izzy has been hiding a furry secret. This would not be a good scenario, because Brinniel is favourite to die today, and the death of an innocent Brinniel would end this village. We find this scenario unlikely, though. Perhaps: Rikae is indeed a seer, or just a completely accurate villager, and Brinniel is a wolf. Lynching her today is our best option. When we kill Brinniel, and discover her wolvish ways, what will happen? If the game continues then obviously there remains one wolf. If it is not Rikae then she will be killed, because a wolf must assume that she is indeed a seer. However, if Rikae remains alive, which we believe will happen, the village will have found its last wolf. Which means that Kath and Izzy should unite to kill her. There is an obvious problem with this, though we believe it may be possible to solve it. If, say, Kath is the last wolf, then she could kill The Warriors of Finn and convince Izzy to help her kill the innocent Rikae. We believe there is a way, which the true seer shall know, to prove her magical ways. Obviously we cannot suggest it; but we hope the seer would know what we refer to. Lots of scenarios, lots of possible outcomes. Currently, we believe that both Brinniel and Rikae are evil, and we will most likely vote for Brinniel today. Another point. Notice the posts of today, after the mod threw out the crazy concept of the leprechaun. Rikae made a very single-minded post; Brinniel, who said something about 2 wolf kills, which is at odds with what happened on the first night, did not make much sense, nor did she try to get discussion going. Hers was a mere retort to Rikae. Only Izzy volunteered some notable thoughts on the strange events which had obviously happened. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

09-06-2007, 10:13 AM	#8
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	We need info from the mod. Perhaps this day should be extended, because there are things we should have known about at the start of the day. If Durelin was a simple Hunter, we doubt that there is also a seer. The boy looked at each of the ten. Mist began to swirl around one of them, entering the body and glowing for a moment, before settling to normal astonishingly quickly. The boy smiled. "The land itself has taken a hand, it seems. Well and good. Your task shall be thus; each day, talk amongst yourselves. Gain information. Decide who is to be trusted, and who is not. At the end of the day, I will return, and you will give me a name. That name will be.... removed. But beware! Night brings things best left unmentioned. I fear for you all." This quotation from the initial game post suggests that there is one gifted. If Durelin was on our side then we lost a gifted. However, if she was some sort of cobbler-hunter hybrid, then we reckon that there were only ever 2 wolves; and the gifted is still among us. Which obviously suggests a seer-Rikae and a wolf-Brinniel. So please: what the hell is a leprechaun? __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

09-05-2007, 08:51 PM	#1
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	Well, I don't know how obviously I need to put this - I didn't get the point across yesterDay, but maybe that's for the best now. I KNOW that Brinniel is evil. Brinniel and Espiem were not on the same side. ++Brinniel

09-06-2007, 11:04 AM	#9
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	I am a weaver, basically - I can tell whether two people are on the same side or not, but I don't know what side that is. Brinn and SPaM were not on the same side, but Eolin and Menel were. As for the question of tomorrow, I can't imagine Shasta would have burdened us with more than three baddies in such a small group. I'm inclined to think that Menel's death was either linked somehow to Duralin (perhaps the leprechaun's kills are delayed?) or some type of assassin among us.