Tol-in-Gaurhoth XXXVI Game Thread

[Kath]

CaptainofDespair, congratulations! I know he ended up dead but the Seer revelation was entirely his idea and he carried it off beautifully. Holby, you have that brave man to thank for your extra Day, he's got guts!

Kath, if ever I send you another bottle, be very careful Ducky darling.... You really are my bane - what a fool I was to think I had learnt to read you....

I'll get it tested first I promise. But don't sell yourself short Mith, had I actually been able to be around those couple of Days your prediction that I'd be more involved would have been entirely true.

Fea, that was a beautiful final narration. Kudos to you and Boro for having great ones throughout!

Oh man that was a fun game. I so wish I'd had more time.

[Gil-Galad]

sigh... as long as i took down a wolf with me i am happy...


captain your mistake was to pretend to be a gifted, the only people that do that is innocents who don't care anymore or wolves thinking they are clever. when you stated i was a wolf i knew that was false and so did the real seer! you put yourself in a trap!

this was a fun game... full of seers...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

This was really brilliant guys. It was so much fun.

I honestly think the best games for modding are simple no-frills games.

I thought you'd all kick it day two, what with that triple lynching on the first. And not a single wolf in it!

Holby, you should have seen B88 and I cracking up that you'd nailed all three wolves by accident in your first goofy post. First post of the game, and the Seer's pegged everyone. And then Gil, lying through his teeth and still pegging the proper wolves in the end...

Fantastic.

Great job, everybody.

[Gil-Galad]

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

Holby, you should have seen B88 and I cracking up that you'd nailed all three wolves by accident in your first goofy post. First post of the game, and the Seer's pegged everyone. And then Gil, lying through his teeth and still pegging the proper wolves in the end...

i was like the best seer without the seer powers... to be honest i went over most of the past posts and found mith and holby most innocent, while kath and captain were wolves. i knew captain was a wolf for sure when he first stated i was a wolf when i was innocent... so i played along with it and went as a seer

[CaptainofDespair]

Excellent game, all of you!

Kath, take some credit for yourself! Without you, I could not have pulled off the double lynch to end the game. And you did suggest leaving Mithalwen alive, who turned out to be very useful towards that end.

Gil, you misunderstand my motives. I had no intention of living past the lynching. You were my target of wolfdom because I figured on you reacting in a necessary fashion to get lynched with me (though, I did not think you'd go fake Seer on me).

Holby, excellent Seer'ing! Nothing more to say than that.

Fea, Boro: Great modding! I especially loved that last narration!

[Gil-Galad]

Originally Posted by CaptainofDespair

Gil, you misunderstand my motives. I had no intention of living past the lynching. You were my target of wolfdom because I figured on you reacting in a necessary fashion to get lynched with me (though, I did not think you'd go fake Seer on me).

i only did that because i knew you were playing off of my reactionary methods... so to spice it up i put you more on the spot, or at least attempted too, i think about what i say more then you all think i do... i am an actor at heart so i know how to play my roles...

[Holbytlass]

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

Holby, you should have seen B88 and I cracking up that you'd nailed all three wolves by accident in your first goofy post. First post of the game, and the Seer's pegged everyone.

LOL!! I forgot about that. maybe the seer-role is actually rubbing off on me since it is my 473rd time . Did it startle you wolves?

Now I don't feel too bad because wolves did win but SpM would have lasted longer at least in dreams but they killed off so many in the beginning. There were handful of people that I had never played and would have dreamt of them. Besides, I really was looking for a friend....
Thanks Phantom for backing me up even though it cost you your life.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Congrats, guys.

[CaptainofDespair]

Originally Posted by Holbytlass

Did it startle you wolves?

Truthfully? A little. I wasn't expecting someone to put all three of us in one post. You felt odd to me, right off the bat for that. But I couldn't explain it.

And I suspect that's why I guessed you were the Seer when we wolves chose Lal as our kill. I mentioned your quietness being our doom, as you'd be a more dangerous Seer than any more vocal player. But we went with Lal, and you killed Sauce the next day.

Though, I would not change it now, knowing what happens. I enjoyed our little game of "Who is the Real Seer" far too much.

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Kath

I'll get it tested first I promise. But don't sell yourself short Mith, had I actually been able to be around those couple of Days your prediction that I'd be more involved would have been entirely true.

I guess you should never ease up on the paranoia.... After the ducks game I always suspected you but then there were so many when you were the busy innocent that I relaxed thought your oops I forgot ..routine was a bit convenient ... unfortunately everyone else I had thought probably innocent - Dury, Menel, Shasta, Phantom, had been proved so by their deaths ~I had thought my instincts were good this time. Also if I had played it safe and voted, and chosen CofD...I really honestly don't think I would have tried to lynch you today... Gil was really not behaving like an innocent..to put it mildly.... heigh ho....

[Kath]

thought your oops I forgot ..routine was a bit convenient

And yet completely true. I got woken up early so mum could take us out for a walk and lunch and it wasn't until we left the cafe that I realised I was supposed to be at home on the computer!

I really honestly don't think I would have tried to lynch you today.

I am very pleased to hear it. It would have been nice to go on an extra Day, except that I hate being a wolf by myself.

[Mithalwen]

Well at least we can enjoyt he weekend..thought I finally have my "new" car ..playing WW when you have no home access and no transport was a nightmare.....

[The Saucepan Man]

I cannot believe that Holby was the Seer again!

The first time that I modded, she was the Seer and also the first time that I was a Wolf, and I think that she has been a Seer two other times as well. When I was a Wolf, by sheer chance, we killed her the first Night. So, at least she got a chance to wreak her vengeance upon me this time round.

A short but sweet game, and congratulations to my fellow Wolves. I could not believe it when I logged on on Day 3 to see that you had left Holby alive. A bold strategy, but one which paid off (albeit with a little help from the wild card that is Gil-Galad ).

Congratulations also to the villagers, and particularly Holby, since you rallied well after a shaky start. I knew that I had little chance of surviving once you revealed and outed me as a Wolf, Holby, but I had to give it a go. As phantom rightly observed, it would have been too much of a coincidence to declare myself as the Seer (although it would have made four Seer declarations in the game), so I pinned my hope on the cautious "real Seer" approach.

I shall post our Wolfish plotting from Nights 1 and 2 as, with Kath absent for Night 1, there is not too much of it. That, I hope, will explain our kill choices on both those Nights and also why I felt unable to go for the quadruple lynch at the end of Day 2.

In the meantime, many thanks to Fea and Boro for modding such a great game. I must admit that I was somewhat daunted to be a Wolf yet again, as I had less time available to me than I would have liked (hence my relative quietness). But it was great fun nonetheless.

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Wolf

Greetings fellow Wolves. [Smilie]

Well that went rather well, didn't it? Completely fortuitous of course. I had no idea about Mith's vote when I cast mine and fully expected at least one of the other three votes to come in before the deadline.

I might come under some pressure for having caused the tie, but Mith's in the same boat, and I can quite genunely disavow any intention to create a tie.

So, who to kill?

It doesn't look like the Seer had a dream before the game begun, although we can't be sure. Assuming not, however, it will be difficult to find any Seer clues in the Day 1 proceedings. I certainly have no idea.

My first instinct is to do away with the phantom, as he is such a danger. But he would expect me to go for him, so leaving him be might help get him on my side. If he is the Seer, he is quite likely to dream of me, but that would at least help us spot him. In any event, I would prefer to leave him alive for now. If he's not the Seer, I think that I can probably build up a rapport with him, which would work greatly in out favour.

Mith's a possibility, as she has a knack of spotting a Wolfish Sauce, but I think that I would be able to tell if she was the Seer. Lal's also a possibility, but I haven't played with her before, so would prefer to keep her alive.

Gil and Shasta we should leave, unless they exhibit Seer tendencies, as they are distinct lynch possibilities for the erratic behaviour and quietness. No point in killing Holby, as she is away for Day 2.

Which I think leaves Brinniel, who I think is a distinct possibility for our kill. She didn't say a lot, voted Menel, and she could even be the Seer. She would be my pick, but would like to hear your thoughts.

With best wishes from your partner in crime.

So, Holby's Day 2 absence put her out of the running for the Night 1 kill and I must admit that I saw nothing Seerish in her Day 1 contributions. It seems that I was wrong and that she had already had a dream, and dreamed of me, before the game started. She did well not to give it away, as we would probably have gone for her on Night 1 had there been any indication that she thought me a Wolf. Her first post, naming all three Wolves, I took to be mere early game banter, and so didn't really think much more of it until I tried to use it on Day 3.

Originally Posted by The Wolf of Despair

I'll agree to that idea. I'm not really picking up any sort of feeling from anyone else at the moment, and I doubt I will since it is only Day/Night 1.

If nothing else strikes me in the time from the sending of this message to the near-end of the Night, I'll surely be on-board for killing Brinniel tonight.

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Wolf

OK, unless Kath has any strong views, I'll PM Brinniel's name to Fea and B88 about an hour before the deadline.

Any thoughts on strategy? Given what happened on Day 1, I suggest simply playing it by ear again. I accused you both early on yesterDay with a view to distancing us. I might continue toMorrow if the opportunity presents itself and it doesn't look like either of you are in danger of being lynched. Of course, if either of you are in serious danger of being lynched I won't hesitate to vote for you. [Wink]

Then again, you should do the same if the roles are reversed.

Other than that, I guess it's just a matter of holding our collective nerve and keeping an eye out for the Seer. I'm going to try to get the phantom on side. Gil and Shasta are probably our best bets for lynch victims, though we shouldn't be too obvious about it. I might have a pop at Lal too, given her suggestion that, had she voted, she wouldn't have broken the tie.

On another subject, I wonder which of us is which in the narratives. I suspect that Kath was the one who claimed the prophetic dream, while CoD and I did away with Legate and Menel. [Big Grin]

Adios amigos.

Well, I was wrong about the narrative. Seemingly, it was me who claimed to have the prophetic dream. I loved that final narrative, by the way, Fea.

Well, that's it for Night 1 plotting. Brinniel was chosen as she left little trail, and also on the off-chance that she might have been the Seer. I, for one, could see no clear clues as to the Seer's identity on Day 1.

Oh and, as I said, that triple tie was sheer luck. But it couldn't have gone better, had I tried.

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Wolf

Another good day at the coal face. [Big Grin]

ToMorrow, we will be facing 4 innocents, and we may even get the Seer toNight if we are lucky.

I'm a bit annoyed with cross-posting with the phantom on that last minute vote, as I would have preferred to have killed Lal to Shasta. But I couldn't risk looking like I was trying to create another multiple lynch, and I couldn't look like I trusted phantom too much either.

I could, of course, have gone for the mutliple tie and possibly ended the game then and there, but where would the fun have been in that? [Wink]

So, toNight's kill? Any ideas on who might be the Seer? It looks like Lal was thinking Mith might be, but I don't see it myself. I shall have to review, but it doesn't look like the Seer has spotted one of us yet.

I would prefer to leave the phantom alive for now, unless anyone thinks he might be the Seer. I can't see it myself, but I wouldn't put it past Fea to confer Seership on him. Other than that, my current thinking is either Mithalwen or Lalwende. I would lean towards Mith, as she has attracted very little suspicion, whereas Lal has been under more pressure. And who knows, perhaps Lal is right about her being the Seer.

Any thoughts?

~The Saucepan Wolf~

PS I am unlikely to be around at the deadline tomorrow so would one of you be able to send the kill choice to Fea and Boro? If not, I will have to send them the kill choice early.

Still hadn't spotted Holby as the Seer, although that's probably 'cos she hadn't posted anything more in the meantime.

Originally Posted by The Wolf of Despair

Bad Wolf!

Sauce, we had it!

Victory was so close! A Quintuple lynch, plus our kill tonight would have meant easy pickings the next day.

*sulks*

I'm disappointed in your lack of "go get 'em" spirit. [Wink]

The possibility of the quadruple/quintuple lynch did of course occur to me. Given the opportunity, I would have thought long and hard about it. But it would have been terribly unsporting (and Nogrod would most definately have disapproved ). Still, phantom played well there and effectively denied me the opportunity, or at least made me risk looking very Wolfish if I went for it and failed.

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Wolf

Hehe. I'm playing the 'long game'. Which hopefully means wrapping up the victory toMorrow. [Big Grin]

But seriously, with phantom holding his vote right 'til the end, I couldn't risk it. Had he voted for one of those who already had a vote, I would have ended up looking very Wolfish.

We do really need to kill the Seer toNight though, if we can. There is a good chance that he or she will dream of one of us toNight, which will cause us problems toMorrow if he/she is still alive.

Our choices are as follows:

Gil
Holby
phantom
Mithalwen
Lalwende

I find it very unlikely that Gil is the Seer, unless he was being very clever with that vote for Boro.

It's possible that Holby is the Seer, but it would be practically impossible to spot her with her being out of the action toDay. I do think that her opening post of Day 1 was probably too bold for a Seer, though.

If phantom was the Seer, I am almost certain that he would have dreamed of me on Night 1, as he would want to know whether to trust me or not.

Which leaves Mith and Lal. Mith suspected Lal and Holby and voted for the latter. She did not give any indication that she thought anyone innocent. I would expect a Seer to leave some kind of a hint in case she was killed.

Lal, on the other hand, posted favourably about Kath, me and Mithalwen. It wouldn't surprise me if, as a Seer, she dreamed of Mithalwen on Night 1.

So I am now leaning towards killing Lal, as the most likely Seer.

Would welcome your thoughts, though.

Originally Posted by The Wolf of Despair

I'm currently leaning towards Lal or Holby as good kill prospects. Mithalwen does not seem too...threatening...at the moment.

Lal is certainly a good target, since she is rather vocal. But her posts seem to be...less and less helpful to the village. She seems to be playing the middle ground, able to backtrack when needed, perhaps hoping we don't see her as a Seer (if she is one, of course)

Holby's quietness would make her an excellent pick, since there is no decent trail to trace back to us. And if she is the Seer, perhaps her silence will be more dangerous in the long run. In leaving her alive because she has been unavailable, she could return with a fair amount of dream-knowledge in tow. This, if she has anything, could lead to one or more of us meeting a quick demise.

That of course is speculation, as there is little there to put to analysis.

For now, I'll say we can go with putting Lal under the maw. If I think of anything else, or this "decision" changes, I'll let you know.

Oh, and I can send the mods our decision tomorrow morning before I leave for work. Just make sure to let me know well before 7:30am EST. I leave for work right around that time.

Bah! If only I had gone with CoD's instincts, we would have got the Seer on Night 2. But Lal looked more Seerish to me. And I must admit that the fact that Holvy has been the Seer so many times played on my mind. That and her bold first post, which you can see played an important part in my thinking. Had I known that she had dreamed before Day 1, it might have influenced me more the other way.

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Wolf

OK, I'm happy with killing Lal. Looking back over the thread, I think there's a good chance that she is the Seer.

Just to be sure, I shall PM Fea and Boro now and tell them that our kill will be Lalwende, unless they hear any
different from either of you two before the deadline. I wouldn't want to risk missing our kill.

As I won't be on-line again before Day 3 starts, here's something that I wanted to mention. It's fairly obvious, but I'll say it anyway. All we need toMorrow is one innocent to vote for another innocent and, if we add our three votes, we have won.

Good luck, my friends. [Smilie]

I knew that, if Lal wasn't the Seer, there was a good chance that one of us would have been spotted by the Seer and that, given the situation, the Seer would probably reveal. I also knew that there was a reasonable chance that it would be me who was unmasked. But I was also fairly sure at that point that Lal was the Seer.

I shall have to leave it to Kath or CoD to reveal their Night 3 plotting.