The Hobbit in July 2007?

[Sauron the White]

davem ... since popping up here a bit ago I have read many of your posts. You certainly have a great deal of knowledge about JRRT and his writings and I respect that. You have probably forgotten more about JRRT than I could ever hope to learn. But - in my humble opinion as an outsider - I do think you weaken your own positions by throwing in heavy handed judgments and value laden terms that attempt to strengthen your own position while they denigrate others. In your post above you talk about "TRASHING" the HOBBIT if certain changes are made. You then compare this to PORNOGRAPHY which is utter nonsense and ridiculous.

How do these flights of bloated verbage further this discussion?

[davem]

Originally Posted by Sauron the White

You then compare this to PORNOGRAPHY which is utter nonsense and ridiculous.

How do these flights of bloated verbage further this discussion?

American Heritage Dictionary
por·nog·ra·phy (pôr-nŏg'rə-fē) Pronunciation Key
n.

1. Sexually explicit pictures, writing, or other material whose primary purpose is to cause sexual arousal.
2. The presentation or production of this material.
3. Lurid or sensational material: "Recent novels about the Holocaust have kept Hitler well offstage [so as] to avoid the ... pornography of the era" (Morris Dickstein).

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[Sauron the White]

Perhaps I should grab a handy dictionary and define the word ABSURD?

[Sir Kohran]

Originally Posted by Sauron the White

davem ... since popping up here a bit ago I have read many of your posts. You certainly have a great deal of knowledge about JRRT and his writings and I respect that. You have probably forgotten more about JRRT than I could ever hope to learn. But - in my humble opinion as an outsider - I do think you weaken your own positions by throwing in heavy handed judgments and value laden terms that attempt to strengthen your own position while they denigrate others. In your post above you talk about "TRASHING" the HOBBIT if certain changes are made. You then compare this to PORNOGRAPHY which is utter nonsense and ridiculous.

How do these flights of bloated verbage further this discussion?

I have to agree here. Criticising PJ's vision of Middle-Earth is one thing. Comparing it to pornography is quite another, and is stupid, inappropriate and downright offensive.

[davem]

Originally Posted by Sir Kohran

I have to agree here. Criticising PJ's vision of Middle-Earth is one thing. Comparing it to pornography is quite another, and is stupid, inappropriate and downright offensive.

PJ's version revelled in ugliness, brutality, gore & bad jokes. Apart from that it was embarrassingly bathetic.

And I think its best to avoid calling other people's posts 'stupid'. I offered a reasoned argument & offered a justification for the points I made. I even managed to demonstrate that a word may have more meanings than the usual one. I don't think I threw around insulting comments like 'stupid' & 'absurd'. I tend to avoid such, being that I am able to argue rationally.

[Sauron the White]

from davem

PJ's version revelled in ugliness, brutality, gore & bad jokes. Apart from that it was embarrassingly bathetic.

The Jackson films also had moments of sheer beauty, kindness and emotional strength, tenderness and a sense of wonder. A term like 'bathetic' is an opinion which you certainly are entitled to. It is obvious that the larger part of the fim going world thought otherwise and thought so very clearly.

[davem]

Originally Posted by Sauron the White

from davem

PJ's version revelled in ugliness, brutality, gore & bad jokes. Apart from that it was embarrassingly bathetic.

The Jackson films also had moments of sheer beauty, kindness and emotional strength, tenderness and a sense of wonder. A term like 'bathetic' is an opinion which you certainly are entitled to. It is obvious that the larger part of the fim going world thought otherwise and thought so very clearly.

I don't have a very high opinion of the larger part of the film going world's opinion on anything, given the trash that Hollywood turns out. They are clearly all wrong if they found the LotR movies anything more than standard Hollywood fare. Overblown, dumbed down & tiresome.

In my opinion at least. There was more depth & profundity & beauty in any five minutes of Pan's Labyrinth than in the whole 12 + hours of the LotR movies.

[Sauron the White]

from davem

They are clearly all wrong if they found the LotR movies anything more than standard Hollywood fare.

So yes indeed, everyone marching in the large parade is out of step but Johnny.

[Sir Kohran]

They are clearly all wrong if they found the LotR movies anything more than standard Hollywood fare.

So the millions that praised these films are all wrong just because they disagree with you?

Overblown, dumbed down & tiresome.

Oh yes. Because the bit where Gandalf faces the Balrog is overblown, dumbed down and tiresome. The bit where Boromir dies is also overblown, dumbed down and tiresome. The bit where Frodo pulls Sam out of the river and takes him on the jounrey with him is also overblown, dumbed down and tiresome. The part where the Rohirrim make their last stand at Helm's Deep to be saved by Gandalf and the Rohirrim's arrival is also overblown, dumbed down and tiresome. The point where Sam speaks to Frodo of the despair others have felt and their determination to keep going is overblown, dumbed down and tiresome. The sequence where the beacons are lit on the mountains is also overblown, dumbed down and tiresome. The bit where Theoden and his army sound their horns and charge the Orcs on the Pelennor is also overblown, dumbed down and tiresome. The end of the quest on Mount Doom is also overblown, dumbed down and tiresome. The ending where Frodo says goodbye to his friends and Sam returns to his family is also overblown, dumbed down and tiresome.