Admin thread for WWXXXV: Werewolves among the Wolf-men

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

There is little to be said that was not said, or that surely you won't think of by yourselves, but to let me voice my opinion, this one was a marvellous game and even though (or because of?) being a Mod, I enjoyed it as if I were a part of it.

I think against all odds, when it looked at the beginning really grave with our numbers, I daresay the game did not lose anything from its interest and, maybe, it was even better and indeed more "family-warm" environment with there being so few of you (or should I say: us?).
The game was, of course, a little changed against what I was planning it to do at first due to the lesser numbers (e.g. both Túrin&Beleg should have had one more addittional special ability... which I will keep to myself just in case I mod again), but I think even game-wise it turned out to be good and balanced. We had Túrin, Nienor (these two being the "weapon of mass destruction" whatever the case), Beleg, Andróg and Saeros as special roles; while originally Mim should also have had his part (larger) and maybe an Outlaw or two more (like an innocent Algund who would have known the identity of the Children, but they won't know his - sort of a seerish bonus to combinate things).

I am sure this one is running to a Barrow-Wight's Book of Records, because of the three in-a-row no-kill Nights, maybe even it should be considered that the stopped kills were both aimed against Rikae (I also don't think something like that normally happens...). This was one of the most critical things in the whole game, but as we saw, the no-kill maybe even helped the Wolves a little bit (well, maybe quite a lot). The other standpoints were, I believe, Brinn's choice of Lhuna (otherwise you were dead, as you probably know - I was almost sure she will pick Gil, that will be a total disaster) and of course, the Rikae-Mac learning each other innocent (though they both didn't know that the other knows as well).

The funniest moment still for me was Night 2. Rikae sent me quite early the information that she's, if I can quote, „going to rob that handsome young Macalaure fellow“. At that moment I said to myself: „Hmm, seems Andróg got to work quite early.“ But then I got a PM from Lhuna that the wolves chose Rikae as their target. „Hm,“ I thought, „so she's probably not going to enjoy the bow. At least the Ranger will have his bow back.“ I opened the later PM from Macalaure unmindfully. Then I burst in laughter when I realized what it reads and what it means. I have to say, as a first-time mod I consider this unbelievable and inequitable, for this is a thing that happens rarely and not every Mod is lucky enough to experience something like this; and I'm sure every Mod enjoys it greatly when it happens. At that moment, I pitied so much that you players don't know it!

And concerning your performance as players...

Shasta, it was indeed a shame you did not stay longer (for those who do not know, his aim was to kill Túrin - respectively: get him lynched or killed, but so that no blame falls on himself, of course - otherwise he was an innocent). Shasta, I know of your roleplaying skills and I hope the role did not hinder you much in that. Well, but someone has to die the first day.

Xyzzy, well, what to say? You are a Werewolfer, and you are yourself though maybe this time got more unlucky than normally. I think the "normal" games fit you better, but still - counting your number of posts in this game (three per day, though it was the only one) was good sign for me. Hope you liked the game too.

Nogrod, poor lad, that was really nasty what they did to you, when you were the one who technically was right in - well - many things. And surely you were the one with most "waking" effect on the sleepy hill, and I see you also manage to roleplay very, how should I say it, "realistic"! Had it not been for this game, I might not have learned. But thanks also for your help with co-modding, I am sure both me&Volo appreciated it.

Isabellkya, you surprised me with your roleplaying. It was as I said in the beginning, there is more in some of you than we can see when roleplaying is not set as compulsory. Maybe we should do it more often... Concerning the game itself, you were not as lucky this time with picking suspects and giving them to the village, but in the end, fourth day is fourth day.

Mith, thanks once again that you joined us in the end - and I hope you enjoyed it and don't pity joining in. You did well to stay as long, and did not end as wolf's meal until day 4. Say, did you have a clue who Túrin might be - or whom you thought to be Túrin (Nogrod at one moment, I think)?

Brinniel! Although you died in the end, I see you broke your record and that calls for celebrating it. And to consider that you died not by anyone else's choice, but due to a link of fate, well, being a "normal" character you might have finished till the end. Your play was a very good one and seemingly you kept it well balanced so that no one lynched you (skipping the fact that Nienor wanted at one point), but also you didn't call as much attention to yourself to get you wolf-targeted.

Lhuna, I never saw you playing before, but was not disappointed - you played just brilliantly! Who has seriously suspected you? For most of the time, practically no one - or at least not to bring it to deeds. And as I can see, in revealing other's roles you did also very well.

tgwbs, Lhuna's brother in arms. You made a nice wolf-pair, I believe, and you once again proved to be as slippery as possible, I'm sure had it not been for Rikae's and Mac's double-knowledge of each other, you could have convinced the village that you are Andróg or even Beleg. And even then, in the last moment, Gil could have gone instead of you. Even overall, the wolves' victory was this close. And

I'm all for killing Rikae AGAIN. Leggy will think we have some kind of obsession,

Well, right when you sent it the second time, I thought so...

Rikae, well, what to say? Brilliant game - and though your choice and getting the bow right the first night was... well... maybe I sort of hoped that "under candle least light"... but in all maybe I was not even thinking of this. It just happened. Nevertheless, even though you had the bow practically from the start, there was still quite a lot of danger for you, as we can see, more than enough. But you managed it!

Gil-Galad, I have to congratulate you to the victory (the whole time I was afraid they'll make you a scrapegoat, as always) and, also have to say that the time you had, you devoted to the game indeed with good contributions. Hopefully, and not just for the game's sake, we'll see you even more active in other games.

Mac, I am really sorry you couldn't use your Ranger ability more times. Perhaps some other time - I promise if I mod again, I will give you something that can't be stolen (hmm... like a Cursed Villager, for example). But nevertheless, you played well and you even did not get close to being suspected nor killed (again, at least not to bring it to deeds). So, cheers! Hope you enjoyed it and see you again somewhere...

And last but not least, not a player, but my co-mod Volo. What else can I say than "Well done, faithful servant..." You managed to take care of the game greatly, even if it was a little bit time-pressed, and without you everything will be surely waay more complicated. Thanks again!

And thanks again all for playing, it was great game to mod and great story to look at!

Now continue the aftertalk and don't mind my babbling

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by tgwbs

I'm all for killing Rikae AGAIN. Leggy will think we have some kind of obsession

You know, I thought Legate would think the same thing of me on you after I hunted you like, five times in a row! I'm still amazed on how accurate I was the first two Days with you. If only I had kept up that suspicion...

Btw, your PMs don't seem to have any mention of Nienor. Did you guys forget about her?

Legate, I'm really curious....how did you pick the roles? Were they completely random, or did you pick them for a specific reason? I've just gotta know...

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

But that kind of works against the basic idea of this game which is that people should speak and then read what others say and make their deductions based on them. The other possibility would be that people just said "Hi" and then randomly made a vote. Which one of these is a werewolf-game?

Of course the point is that people should speak. . . but you have been blinded by your desire for analysing and intensive posting.

You don't need to post 10-20 times a day to be contributing to the game or two have fun (which is the true basic idea of the werewolf-game). You seem to focus way to much on this in every game you play. . . and I understand you in some of the cases, but a lot of the time I think you are overreacting.

Also when it comes to the analyzing bit. . . There is only so much to analyze, but of late there has been tendencies of half the village making 5 major post with loads of analyzing in each, and that is over analyzing. Thre simply is not that much wolwery in a game. The main point here is however that for all this analyzing people are no more often right than those that says "this sentence looks like wolvery ther for I vote for xxxxx"

I think the games are mor fun when you different ways of playing colide, it is great having you and SPM in a village, but if the whole village becomes your clones then the fun disapears.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Rune

it is great having you and SPM in a village, but if the whole village becomes your clones then the fun disapears.

To me the fun starts there... So watch out, we both are going to be in Fea's next game... so think a second time before enlisting as we might spoil your fun...

But yes, you're right in many things. I've been in villages where three or four people make a "deep-analysis" of the posts of one and the same person. That clearly is an over-exaggeration. Also skimming through two pages of posting when you are in the middle of RL "disturbances" makes one pretty desperate. I know I sometimes flood the threads with my thoughts which at worst are repeating earlier points. I know. And that's a shame.

Originally Posted by Rune

The main point here is however that for all this analyzing people are no more often right than those that says "this sentence looks like wolvery ther for I vote for xxxxx"

I'd bet the "analysers" have a slight edge in this but that's a slight one to be sure. But I think the point is not whether one is right or not but what s/he reveals of her/his target, but also - and even more importantly - about her/himself with the analysis and thence contributes to the game for also the others. The fun of these games to me is that I give something for you others to chew and you give me something to read from you. Then there is a balance. But if it's only some people who contribute and others stay low that's kind of not fair-play any more.

If only two people talk it's easy for the others to just concentrate on what they contribute - but that also means that all the others are safe from any suspicion whatsoever and those talkers will get killed sooner or later just because they tried to contribute. That's the thing I'm complaining a bit. A bit that is as I'm used to it already - and you can deduct that it isn't a big issue with me as I'm always ready for the next game...

So sportsmanship is the thing I am calling for. Whether you are an ordinary or a gifted or a wolf (or whatever) you should put yourself into the game giving also others a chance to read you and not only read others with really careful posting.

I mean really, we should make a trial - just for the fun of it - one day. Let's make a game were everyone is restricted to max. two posts / Day and no one is allowed to analyse or make any posts containing any principles or actual reasoning, not to say building up cases or making personal commitments. Just oneliners with stuff like "Hi guys, we have a problem here, let's solve it", or "I'll vote X because my randon generator gave her as a result - or his name begins with an "S"". I'd be very interested to see what would happen in that game and how much people would actually enjoy it...

I really thought I would play a bit differently this time but the roleplaying aspect pushed me back to my normal way of playing. One day I will play differently... only I'm afraid I'm lynched on Day1 as soon as I try to do something completely different...


PS. Rune: I was first a bit confused about your comment elsewhere but now I understand what you meant. Have no fear. I do not think your tone was too harsh or anything... To me this looks like discussing about the issues and that's what we should do anyway. So don't worry.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I'd bet the "analysers" have a slight edge in this but that's a slight one to be sure. But I think the point is not whether one is right or not but what s/he reveals of her/his target, but also - and even more importantly - about her/himself with the analysis and thence contributes to the game for also the others. The fun of these games to me is that I give something for you others to chew and you give me something to read from you. Then there is a balance. But if it's only some people who contribute and others stay low that's kind of not fair-play any more.

I think you are wrong. . . but I do not want to bet.

I don't see this as an issue of whether you should contribute or not, that is a given. What makes it fun for you is not necisarily what makes it fun for others , if you look at the earliest of ww-games way less was being said than now and they where just as popular. Speaking of fair play. . . people have different kinds of play and it is not fair at all when people who likes making many ultra long posts say to the rest "this is the way you have to play". . . . If you where only calling for the people that where truly quiet to speak up, then I would not raise a brow. The thing is that it seems that you question the styles of playing that is not very similar to your own.

I just don't think that one tactic has more merrit than the others. . . .The tactic of not saying anything is not included as it goes against the foundations of the game.

I for one is like an Ent when it comes to these games I don't want to say anything lengthy unless it is worth taking a long time saying. So normaly I stick to small and somewhat precise posts.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I mean really, we should make a trial - just for the fun of it - one day. Let's make a game were everyone is restricted to max. two posts / Day and no one is allowed to analyse or make any posts containing any principles or actual reasoning, not to say building up cases or making personal commitments. Just oneliners with stuff like "Hi guys, we have a problem here, let's solve it", or "I'll vote X because my randon generator gave her as a result - or his name begins with an "S"". I'd be very interested to see what would happen in that game and how much people would actually enjoy it...

hehe I can use that rethorical trick as well. . . .

I think we should make a trial game where everybody was obliged to post 20 posts/day and no one is allowed to do any jesting. . .only hardcore analysism is accepted, all post must be at least of 1000 words. Lets see what would happen in that game and how much people would actually enjoy it. . . .

I know this is wasted on you as you would aboslutely love this sort of game

Just remember that sportmanship goes both ways and that we have to accept that people play this game in their own and maybe different way.

and of course you are allowed to complaint about us speaking enough if that is the case. . . .but there is a difference between not speaking enough and not speaking as much as you.