The Fellowship of the Fourth Age (Part 1): A New Beginning Discussion Thread - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Regin Hardhammer · 07-04-2007, 10:38 PM

Save filled. I tried to give a lead in for more water seeping into the pit.

If I understand things right, the orcs will have to leave before the kids can come in and get stuck there. Isn't that right?

Tevildo · 07-04-2007, 11:16 PM

Nogrod - I think you're right about my save. I pushed it forward.

Regin - Thanks for doing a set up for the rising water. I understood that the orcs would be out of the pit when the kids went in and got in trouble. What you and Nogrod are doing will work fine with me.

This is what I'm thinking of, unless someone would like to add other ideas. I'll have Azhar wander off with the kids but they will first play around on the banks of the stream. Azhar will have her hands full keeping them away from the rising water. After the orcs get out of the pit (whether they are dragged out or come rushing out), the kids will pester here to have a look inside. She'll figure it's better than the rising bank of the stream where the kids might fall in. And she's very familiar with the cave since she spent so much time there. Of couse, what she doesn't is know how bad it's going to get inside the pit when those rocks give way.....

BTW, could one of the orcs leave that rope nearby so it will be eaiser to climb down into the pit/cave?

Child of the 7th Age · 07-05-2007, 11:43 AM

Glad to see the game going forward. I definitely have no problem with the orcs kicking up a ruckus as long as no one gets seriously injured or killed. In fact, Makdush will be glad to join in the ruckus. As long as the orcs leave the pit one way or another before Azhar brings the children in and the water breaks through the rock "plug", that will work fine. Perhaps, the orcs will put up a fight but will be overwhelmed, rebound, and dragged out to "hear the sentence"? My assumption was that, even with the plea of the women and Aiwendil's warning of danger, the vote will go against them. It's only the danger the children are in and the help they give each other that suggests some limited cooperation is possible.

BTW, from the looks of some posts on other threads, a number of posters are having trouble giving rep and anything involved with clicking links....the links just don't come up. If anyone has that problem, just right click and open the link in a new window.

Nogrod · 07-05-2007, 03:39 PM

Let's consider this a bit.

The situation now:
The ex-slaves and the FS are having a meeting in front of the pit about what to do with the orcs and the possible threat of the Olog-hai. At the same time the orcs are getting free down in the pit and will make a pyramide to get one up to the door and throw ropes to others to climb up as well.

Where we need to get:
The pit must be empty for the children to get there in the first place so the orcs need to be out from there. And still everyone (orcs & the goodies) need to be near enough to hear the children's distress. And the female orcs need to be in place as well...

So how do we achieve this?

One suggestion to follow. Please make other suggestions...

The male orcs reach the top and listen behind the door while the people discuss. Then the female orcs (and orc-children) come forwards and plead for the males. After some harsh words come from the ranks of men ("more of these beasts, let's kill them once and for all as they seem to spawn from all over the place before it's too late", or something) the males burst the door open and get ready to defend the females. Maybe they'd run to stand by the females (hoping surely that the females would have arms to give them as they only have Makdush' blade with them).

That way we could create space in front of the doorway to the pit so that both the orc and human children could slip inside and use the ropes left by the orcs to get down. There would be some heated words thrown over both sides so that no one would notice the children sneaking down to the pit.

Then there would be the calls for help from the pit and everyone rushing to their aid...

Other ideas?

Nogrod · 07-05-2007, 03:56 PM

I just reread Child's last post here (one above mine) and got a feeling that I may have missed something. So is there already a plan (Azhar bringing the children to the pit) how the things will unfold?

But how do we get the orc-children there as well?

And will it be the co-operation of the children or also that of the adults as well?

In case the adults would co-operate as well (which I kind of like as an idea) from the side of the orcs there might be a few females and possibly Ishkur giving a hand. Gwerr and Makdush I think are a bit too cynical to take part in that kind of an effort...

Child of the 7th Age · 07-06-2007, 06:56 PM

Save filled....

Makdush will not help anyone!

OK, I'm not sure. I've got a vague idea but definitely not a concrete plan. A lot of this will depend on Tevildo's posts and Firefoot's. I could see it falling out one of two ways. The two groups of kids could actually be cautiously getting together, or at least some of them. One or more orc children could have folowed the human children into the pit and be staring at each other. Actually, it might be better if it was the girl orc who was tagging along behind the human children and Firefoot's character could see from the top of the pit that they are all in trouble after the rock plug gives and water rushes in. He could try and help but then run back to tell everyone. I do think a few on both sides of the divide would help drag the kids out. My guess is also that Ishkur will grudgingly help...perhaps do something decisive because of his natural strength?? But that is up to Regin.

Azhar could be down in the pit with the kids, or up on top with the other orc kid....whatever Tevildo wants.

Would that work? Any other ideas, Nogrod or anyone? The adult orcs, of course, have to be out of the pit when this happens.

Nogrod · 07-06-2007, 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Child of the 7th Age

The adult orcs, of course, have to be out of the pit when this happens.

I can handle this getting out of the pit-stuff but I think we need the females to come in with their pledge first... (I can post for the orcs getting themselves up and listening to the conversation but they will burst out only after the females enter with their plea).

Your plan looks good.

So let the the females come forwards (after a few posts by the slaves?) and then the children getting into danger. I agree that from the orcs Ishkur might be one to help and one or two females (possibly Undome's sisters - is she still around?). From the slaves / FS, well you people decide... Hadith might go for it if there are too few writers arounds but as he is wounded and such a young person he might not be the obvious one... Beloan would be an easy pick of course and I could write it while Dury is away.

07-04-2007, 10:38 PM	#1
Regin Hardhammer Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Tumunzahar/Nogrod Posts: 364	Save filled. I tried to give a lead in for more water seeping into the pit. If I understand things right, the orcs will have to leave before the kids can come in and get stuck there. Isn't that right? __________________ For once I myself saw with my own eyes the Sibyl at Cumae hanging in a bottle, and when the boys said to her: 'Sibyl, what do you want?' she replied, 'I want to die.'"

07-04-2007, 11:16 PM	#2
Tevildo Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Curled up on Melko's lap Posts: 425	Nogrod - I think you're right about my save. I pushed it forward. Regin - Thanks for doing a set up for the rising water. I understood that the orcs would be out of the pit when the kids went in and got in trouble. What you and Nogrod are doing will work fine with me. This is what I'm thinking of, unless someone would like to add other ideas. I'll have Azhar wander off with the kids but they will first play around on the banks of the stream. Azhar will have her hands full keeping them away from the rising water. After the orcs get out of the pit (whether they are dragged out or come rushing out), the kids will pester here to have a look inside. She'll figure it's better than the rising bank of the stream where the kids might fall in. And she's very familiar with the cave since she spent so much time there. Of couse, what she doesn't is know how bad it's going to get inside the pit when those rocks give way..... BTW, could one of the orcs leave that rope nearby so it will be eaiser to climb down into the pit/cave? __________________ Now Tevildo was a mighty cat--the mightiest of all--and possessed of an evil spirit,...and he was in Melko's constant following; and that cat had all cats subject to him, and he and his subjects were the chasers and getters of meat for Melko's table.

07-05-2007, 11:43 AM	#3
Child of the 7th Age Spirit of the Lonely Star Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 5,133	Glad to see the game going forward. I definitely have no problem with the orcs kicking up a ruckus as long as no one gets seriously injured or killed. In fact, Makdush will be glad to join in the ruckus. As long as the orcs leave the pit one way or another before Azhar brings the children in and the water breaks through the rock "plug", that will work fine. Perhaps, the orcs will put up a fight but will be overwhelmed, rebound, and dragged out to "hear the sentence"? My assumption was that, even with the plea of the women and Aiwendil's warning of danger, the vote will go against them. It's only the danger the children are in and the help they give each other that suggests some limited cooperation is possible. BTW, from the looks of some posts on other threads, a number of posters are having trouble giving rep and anything involved with clicking links....the links just don't come up. If anyone has that problem, just right click and open the link in a new window. __________________ Multitasking women are never too busy to vote. Last edited by Child of the 7th Age; 07-05-2007 at 11:52 AM.

07-05-2007, 03:39 PM	#4
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Let's consider this a bit. The situation now: The ex-slaves and the FS are having a meeting in front of the pit about what to do with the orcs and the possible threat of the Olog-hai. At the same time the orcs are getting free down in the pit and will make a pyramide to get one up to the door and throw ropes to others to climb up as well. Where we need to get: The pit must be empty for the children to get there in the first place so the orcs need to be out from there. And still everyone (orcs & the goodies) need to be near enough to hear the children's distress. And the female orcs need to be in place as well... So how do we achieve this? One suggestion to follow. Please make other suggestions... The male orcs reach the top and listen behind the door while the people discuss. Then the female orcs (and orc-children) come forwards and plead for the males. After some harsh words come from the ranks of men ("more of these beasts, let's kill them once and for all as they seem to spawn from all over the place before it's too late", or something) the males burst the door open and get ready to defend the females. Maybe they'd run to stand by the females (hoping surely that the females would have arms to give them as they only have Makdush' blade with them). That way we could create space in front of the doorway to the pit so that both the orc and human children could slip inside and use the ropes left by the orcs to get down. There would be some heated words thrown over both sides so that no one would notice the children sneaking down to the pit. Then there would be the calls for help from the pit and everyone rushing to their aid... Other ideas? __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

07-05-2007, 03:56 PM	#5
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	I just reread Child's last post here (one above mine) and got a feeling that I may have missed something. So is there already a plan (Azhar bringing the children to the pit) how the things will unfold? But how do we get the orc-children there as well? And will it be the co-operation of the children or also that of the adults as well? In case the adults would co-operate as well (which I kind of like as an idea) from the side of the orcs there might be a few females and possibly Ishkur giving a hand. Gwerr and Makdush I think are a bit too cynical to take part in that kind of an effort... __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

07-06-2007, 06:56 PM	#6
Child of the 7th Age Spirit of the Lonely Star Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 5,133	Save filled.... Makdush will not help anyone! OK, I'm not sure. I've got a vague idea but definitely not a concrete plan. A lot of this will depend on Tevildo's posts and Firefoot's. I could see it falling out one of two ways. The two groups of kids could actually be cautiously getting together, or at least some of them. One or more orc children could have folowed the human children into the pit and be staring at each other. Actually, it might be better if it was the girl orc who was tagging along behind the human children and Firefoot's character could see from the top of the pit that they are all in trouble after the rock plug gives and water rushes in. He could try and help but then run back to tell everyone. I do think a few on both sides of the divide would help drag the kids out. My guess is also that Ishkur will grudgingly help...perhaps do something decisive because of his natural strength?? But that is up to Regin. Azhar could be down in the pit with the kids, or up on top with the other orc kid....whatever Tevildo wants. Would that work? Any other ideas, Nogrod or anyone? The adult orcs, of course, have to be out of the pit when this happens. __________________ Multitasking women are never too busy to vote. Last edited by Child of the 7th Age; 07-06-2007 at 07:04 PM.