FOTR - AFI #50 best of all time - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

William Cloud Hicklin · 06-21-2007, 01:22 PM

Kane completely revolutionized the way films were made- it really redefined cinematic art as profoundly as Beethoven redefined the symphony. In some ways it's hard to realize from our perspective just how revolutionary it was, just because so many of Welles' innovations have become the standard toolbox for filmmakers ever since.

Fordim Hedgethistle · 06-21-2007, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by William Cloud Hickli

Kane completely revolutionized the way films were made- it really redefined cinematic art as profoundly as Beethoven redefined the symphony. In some ways it's hard to realize from our perspective just how revolutionary it was, just because so many of Welles' innovations have become the standard toolbox for filmmakers ever since.

That, and it totally rocks.

uh oh...I think I see...coming towards us....no no NOOOOOOO!!!!

Chat Skwerels!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Elmo · 06-21-2007, 01:44 PM

[Trying to fend off said squirrel]

If Saruman was a 20th century news mogul would he be like Kane?

Oddwen · 06-21-2007, 08:00 PM

Instead of "Rosebud..." 'twould be "Precious...".

Morthoron · 06-21-2007, 09:00 PM

*The Dark Elf shrugs*

Certainly the films on the list warrant such praise (except perhaps Star Wars, Annie Hall, Titanic and Tootsie *rolls eyes*). I noticed several older films have fallen off the list (such as Ran, Battleship Potemkin and All's Quiet on the Western Front) in favor of more recent films (Blade Runner is a good addition, as is Unforgiven, but The Last Picture Show and Sophie's Choice?); this does not mean the older films are not great, it's just that fewer folks are drawn to anything lacking technicolor (short attention spans, lack of flashing lights, etc.).

Personally, I'd like to see A Man for all Seasons or The Lion in the Winter added. Superb dialogue, intellectually stimulating and droll as all get out. Add The Elephant Man to that list as well. And the most appalling non-appearance? Monty Python's Holy Grail is not included in the 100 Funniest Movies of all Tiime, but Private Benjamin and Bull Durham are? Ummm...as the drunken mallard would say, 'that's fupped duck.'

***Mister Underhill*** · 06-21-2007, 09:25 PM

Those AFI lists are American films only, which accounts for some of the missing masterpieces you mention, like Ran (or rather, Seven Samurai).

Now everyone can debate whether or not FotR is really an American film...

Morthoron · 06-21-2007, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mister Underhill

Those AFI lists are American films only, which accounts for some of the missing masterpieces you mention, like Ran (or rather, Seven Samurai).

Now everyone can debate whether or not FotR is really an American film...

Of course, silly of me. I was looking at an earlier 100 best list (1998) that mentioned AFI in the Google blurb, but which wasn't the actual AFI list. Bah! Never mind.

P.S. Except for the funding, FotR had really nothing whatsoever to do with the U.S. except for some pre-film casting calls in New York and L.A. (neither did Lawrence of Arabia or The Third Man, for that matter). There is a reason that FotR's premiere was in New Zealand and not in L.A.

06-21-2007, 01:44 PM	#3
Elmo Pittodrie Poltergeist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: trying to find that warm and winding lane again Posts: 633	[Trying to fend off said squirrel] If Saruman was a 20th century news mogul would he be like Kane? __________________ As Beren looked into her eyes within the shadows of her hair, The trembling starlight of the skies he saw there mirrored shimmering.

06-21-2007, 08:00 PM	#4
Oddwen Drummer in the Deep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Next Sunday A.D. Posts: 2,145	Instead of "Rosebud..." 'twould be "Precious...". __________________ But all the while I sit and think of times there were before I listen for returning feet and voices at the door

06-21-2007, 01:22 PM	#1
William Cloud Hicklin Loremaster of Annúminas Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,330	Kane completely revolutionized the way films were made- it really redefined cinematic art as profoundly as Beethoven redefined the symphony. In some ways it's hard to realize from our perspective just how revolutionary it was, just because so many of Welles' innovations have become the standard toolbox for filmmakers ever since.

06-21-2007, 09:00 PM	#5
Morthoron Curmudgeonly Wordwraith Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Ensconced in curmudgeonly pursuits Posts: 2,515	The Dark Elf shrugs Certainly the films on the list warrant such praise (except perhaps Star Wars, Annie Hall, Titanic and Tootsie rolls eyes). I noticed several older films have fallen off the list (such as Ran, Battleship Potemkin and All's Quiet on the Western Front) in favor of more recent films (Blade Runner is a good addition, as is Unforgiven, but The Last Picture Show and Sophie's Choice?); this does not mean the older films are not great, it's just that fewer folks are drawn to anything lacking technicolor (short attention spans, lack of flashing lights, etc.). Personally, I'd like to see A Man for all Seasons or The Lion in the Winter added. Superb dialogue, intellectually stimulating and droll as all get out. Add The Elephant Man to that list as well. And the most appalling non-appearance? Monty Python's Holy Grail is not included in the 100 Funniest Movies of all Tiime, but Private Benjamin and Bull Durham are? Ummm...as the drunken mallard would say, 'that's fupped duck.' __________________ And your little sister's immaculate virginity wings away on the bony shoulders of a young horse named George who stole surreptitiously into her geography revision.

06-21-2007, 09:25 PM	#6
*Mister Underhill* Dread Horseman Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Behind you! Posts: 2,744	Those AFI lists are American films only, which accounts for some of the missing masterpieces you mention, like Ran (or rather, Seven Samurai). Now everyone can debate whether or not FotR is really an American film...