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Legate of Amon Lanc · 06-18-2007, 02:17 PM

Huh! Indeed? Now why... Grishnakh didn't bite off Frodo's arm... nor did Sam sing lullaby to him... nor did he eat the Ring (though he'd certainly like to... bah! maybe not, what would Sauron do to him then if he learned it's inside him?)... not personal, you say? But what then, when they are connected by it? Grishnakh captured, or later also saved Frodo's friends, Merry&Pippin... could it be said that Carcharoth "saved" the Silmaril? Or those who killed him were his friends... Horsemen - Huan? Bah, hobbits did not know the Horsemen... Mablung... I can't think of anything, really.

Maybe - a Nazgul that scared Frodo was supposed to carry Grishnakh over the water? But Carcharoth did not need anything to carry... and the simple relationship Frodo - Sauron - Grishnakh vs. Beren - Morgoth - Carcharoth it's not as you said... that idea would fit more with Shagrat or some other "door guard".

Beanamir of Gondor · 06-19-2007, 07:18 PM

Yes, Frodo-Sauron-Grishnakh is a tie with Beren-Morgoth-Carcaroth. Anyway, since you already know the name itself, here's my reasoning behind it:

Frodo entered Mordor dressed as an Orc: Grishnakh was a notable Orc who served Sauron, Lord of Mordor. (You're right in saying that Shagrat would have done better as an example, because he was at the gates of Mordor when Frodo entered.)
In any case, Beren entered Angband dressed as a Werewolf: Carcaroth was a notable Werewolf who served Morgoth, Lord of Angband.

So there it is. Thread's yours, Legate.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 06-20-2007, 06:38 AM

Huh! I probably wouldn't have thought of it. Tough one.

Okay, here goes mine:

Thranduil is to Sauron

as

Fréalaf Hildeson is to _______

The Might · 06-25-2007, 06:24 AM

I can't think of anyone else but Wulf, who was defeated together with his Dunlendings by Frealaf, just as Thranduil's elves managed to defeat Sauron's orcs.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 06-25-2007, 11:46 AM

Yup, it was Wulf, but not for the reason you name.

Since Miggy said he will not be here now, the next person who says the correct reason why can have the thread.

The Might · 07-12-2007, 04:30 AM

Ha, I'm back...and it seems nobody was interested in the thread...
Anyway...maybe because Sauron attacked Thranduil while all his allies were under attack as well, just as Wulf did, taking advantage of the fact that Easterlings were attacking Rohan in the east and that Gondor was threatened by Corsairs.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 07-12-2007, 05:14 AM

Hmm, happens that I probably forgot what I had in mind when I put the riddle up

Oh, have the thread - I think I was occupying it here for quite some time...

06-18-2007, 02:17 PM	#1
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Thinking aloud Huh! Indeed? Now why... Grishnakh didn't bite off Frodo's arm... nor did Sam sing lullaby to him... nor did he eat the Ring (though he'd certainly like to... bah! maybe not, what would Sauron do to him then if he learned it's inside him?)... not personal, you say? But what then, when they are connected by it? Grishnakh captured, or later also saved Frodo's friends, Merry&Pippin... could it be said that Carcharoth "saved" the Silmaril? Or those who killed him were his friends... Horsemen - Huan? Bah, hobbits did not know the Horsemen... Mablung... I can't think of anything, really. Maybe - a Nazgul that scared Frodo was supposed to carry Grishnakh over the water? But Carcharoth did not need anything to carry... and the simple relationship Frodo - Sauron - Grishnakh vs. Beren - Morgoth - Carcharoth it's not as you said... that idea would fit more with Shagrat or some other "door guard". __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

06-19-2007, 07:18 PM	#2
Beanamir of Gondor Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: the Shadow Gallery Posts: 276	Yes, Frodo-Sauron-Grishnakh is a tie with Beren-Morgoth-Carcaroth. Anyway, since you already know the name itself, here's my reasoning behind it: Frodo entered Mordor dressed as an Orc: Grishnakh was a notable Orc who served Sauron, Lord of Mordor. (You're right in saying that Shagrat would have done better as an example, because he was at the gates of Mordor when Frodo entered.) In any case, Beren entered Angband dressed as a Werewolf: Carcaroth was a notable Werewolf who served Morgoth, Lord of Angband. So there it is. Thread's yours, Legate. __________________ The answer to life is no longer 42. It's 4 8 15 16 23... 42. "I only lent you my body; you lent me your dream."

06-20-2007, 06:38 AM	#3
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Huh! I probably wouldn't have thought of it. Tough one. Okay, here goes mine: Thranduil is to Sauron as Fréalaf Hildeson is to _______ __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

06-25-2007, 06:24 AM	#4
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	I can't think of anyone else but Wulf, who was defeated together with his Dunlendings by Frealaf, just as Thranduil's elves managed to defeat Sauron's orcs. __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

06-25-2007, 11:46 AM	#5
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Yup, it was Wulf, but not for the reason you name. Since Miggy said he will not be here now, the next person who says the correct reason why can have the thread. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

07-12-2007, 04:30 AM	#6
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Ha, I'm back...and it seems nobody was interested in the thread... Anyway...maybe because Sauron attacked Thranduil while all his allies were under attack as well, just as Wulf did, taking advantage of the fact that Easterlings were attacking Rohan in the east and that Gondor was threatened by Corsairs. __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

07-12-2007, 05:14 AM	#7
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Hmm, happens that I probably forgot what I had in mind when I put the riddle up Oh, have the thread - I think I was occupying it here for quite some time... __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories