Werewolf Four and Thirty: Bloodbath in the Anduin Vale

[mormegil]

++Kath

Kath is Kath and generally I'm happier if she is simply dead, plus she deserves it.

[Thinlómien]

I hate this half-werewolfing... I'm glad though that I will have no online-problems after toDay.

Last Night? If you ask me, Menel was killed by an assassin or a werebear, Rune was killed by the wolves and Durelin did because she did something. I mean, if she was able to steal someone's role or see things or whatever and there was one or more villager that she shouldn't spy, or she'd die. That's what I think.

Volo, to be honest you slightly annoy me. (Even though your "" was quite heart-breaking... ) I never know whether you suspect or suspect people, if you know what I mean. Your tactics give you a perfect cover. That's not a good thing because others can't figure out anything about you nor decide are you innocent or not. Others have raised good points on the issue and I won't be repeating them. There's one more, minor point however. It's always easier for wolves to come up with people they can reasonably think innocent than people who they could reasonably hold suspicious. So, by suspecting innocent-looking people a Volf could get an all-too-big drop of sincerity to his posts.

~*~

Now, I guess I should say something about everyone.

Fea's posts seem quite self-centered and that makes me slightly uneasy. But otherwise she seems quite innocent so I'm not too worried about her.

I'm not wary of Boro anymore (or at least not much). His posts late yesterDay were very innocentish in my opinion.

Weirdly, TGWBS doesn't make me want to campaign against him. I don't know what to think of this.... This far seems innocent-ish.

Legate keeps making sense but he doesn't quite sit right with me. When reading his posts I get the feeling that he sometimes says very little new in his posts, just chatters verbiousily and seems quite odd at times. Also, his general attitude reminds me of that of wolf-Legate's...

Mith makes me uneasy too. Although contributing (especially to the narration-discussion) she seems a bit non-committal and wrong. I can't quite phrase it, but somehow she does not seem like her normal self.

Kath does not sit right with me either. She seems all too jumpy - somewhat nervous - for her normal self. That is quite weird, since normally - be she ordo, gifted or wolf - she keeps her calm admirably well. Maybe she is a Black Beorning? I dunno, she just seems odd...

Volo's playing style worries me, whatever he is. I don't think he's particularly suspicious, but he has been throwing in weird comments and doesn't seem too sincere in his comments (except his "suspicions")...

I can't form a clear picture of Nogrod. He could be either way.

Morm is weird.

Shasta is mildly suspicious but not enough to make me consider voting him.

Izzie seems wolvish for her vote but I can see her as a puzzled newbie as well. I don't know.

Sixth seems perfectly normal which does not, however, mean he's innocent.

Aganzir also makes me slightly uneasy for no particular reason.

Rikae seemed pretty innocent yesterDay and she still does. She does not alarm me particularly, but I'm not ready to consider her innocent either as she has been somewhat shady toDay.

Gil - would it help if we paid you?

Funny, usually my problem is that no one makes me very wary, now my porblem seems to be I suspect too many people... And I should vote soon and I have no idea who I will vote.

[Thinlómien]

What should we to with Gil? He's basically dead weight to us. It would be good to lynch him, because if he's a wolf, we're in big bad trouble since there are no modkills. If we want to lynch him, we should lynch him preferably toDay as soon it's too late with everybody already having formed strong suspicions. That's why I think it would be good to lynch Gil toDay, but there's one big BUT.

It looks like we're going to lose at least two people each Night. In a situation like that, such a blind shot as lynching Gil might be fatal. With a big number of nightly kills, the village lynch should not go wrong too often if we want to win. That's why a shot in the dark is dangerous. It seems that whatever we do with Gil might prove fatal... (Oh, I so much wish he'd come here and start being active...)

[Thinlómien]

Okay.

++Kath

Two more reasons to vote her.

1) This seems just like what a werebear would say to divert the attention from herself/her role:

Originally Posted by Kath

So ... how exactly did Menel die? I thought at first that it was down to Rune 'cause I skim-read and saw the word hunter but he was just an ordo. Is it possible we have some kind of 'Golden Dagger' role again?

2) Her usual, helpful tone seems somewhat forced this time. And as to that jumpiness I wrote about, I think wolf-Kath is usually more jumpy than an innocent Kath, though neither of them tend to be jumpy. And innocent Kath usually gives better grounds to her suspicions, no offense...

Let's hope we get the werebear (if there even is one - I've noticed I keep assuming so and that's certainly something one should avoid! ) or a wolf. I wouldn't be surprised if Kath was either of them.

I won't be back toDay. Good night!

[Thinlómien]

Just to clear it up: I concluded that there are more cons than pros to lynching Gil as there is the possibility of him starting to play more actively.

But now I'm really going. Bye.

[Aganzir]

I agree with Volo about not lynching Gil. It would feel so useless to waste a Day's lynch on him if he's innocent, especially since we have no double lynchings. I don't know if this is a stupid thing to ask, but if we have an Assassin around, should s/he consider killing Gil if he won't start contributing (normally he would be modkilled toDay anyway if he didn't start speaking)?
If Gil's a wolf, we'll never catch him, but at the moment he's nothing but dead weight as he doesn't speak nor vote.

Rikae, I made the analysis mainly to help me organize my thoughts, and including Durelin's death in it would only have made me more confused. I'm afraid the analysis is not very useful without her in it, but I didn't feel myself capable of including her.

edit: xed with Volo

[Volo]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I don't know if this is a stupid thing to ask, but if we have an Assassin around, should s/he consider killing Gil if he won't start contributing (normally he would be modkilled toDay anyway if he didn't start speaking)?

Hmm... Good idea. At least that would help us figure out the roles. If we do have a Good Assassin, we could then discuss the kills during Day. And this means that the Assassin doesn't need to be revealed.

[Volo]

Or maybe no. Let's not talk about the Assassin, as there is more probably a Bear and talking about the Assassin will get him/her to reveal. (And because I can't really suspect Kath if there is an Assassin )

[Aganzir]

The ones of who I have something to say.

Boromir - I'm ready to consider him innocent. During these two Days he has done nothing that should raise my suspicions. I don't think he would have attacked Menel like that if they were both wolves (of course there's a possibility of two different wolf teams, but he isn't very wolvish).

Isabellkya - Didn't agree about lynching quiet ones yet voted xyzzy for not exactly coming back and posting after his first post, when xyzzy and Menel were the only ones in danger of lynching. A first-timer wolf or just a confused newbie? I'm wary about her.

Kath - I'm torn about her. I found her suspicious yesterDay, but toDay she has been looking innocent and came up with some very good points (eg. the possibility of Menel's fellow wolves being quiet players). But. She has also been looking guilty - not as often as she has looked innocent, but especially there are some things in her analyses (I don't remember what exactly, I can check later). She has done two analyses toDay and come across as helpful, but I don't know if a wolf in danger of lynching would make analyses and such and try to confuse villagers before its death.

Legate - YesterDay I thought he didn't say particularly anything, ie. didn't seem to have opinions about people, even though he spoke a lot about possible strategies. But then he voted Menel and that made him look innocent - until the beginning of this Day when someone came up with the possibility of two wolf groups. That has made me suspect him again, but he's not one of my top suspects.

Rikae - On Day 1 she suspected Kath the most from the very beginning, but voted Xyzzy. I don't understand her statement that if Durelin had some sort of a seerish ability, Kath is probably guilty. She said Menel's posts may be our best lead toDay - surprisingly these two never even mentioned each other.

Lommy - She couldn't form a clear opinion of Menel because of his spelling. When reading it I remember thinking "now that's a good way to avoid mentioning a fellow wolf in analysis on the first Day, were they wolves". But I thought Menel and she were both innocent. Now we know Menel was a wolf, and Lommy hasn't said or done anything very suspicious toDay, but this still got me wondering. Then on the other hand she has suspected almost everyone - someone who has played more than I with her please tell if Lommy-wolf would do that?

Volo - I found something worth noticing in his behaviour.
When someone says he has been behaving suspiciously, he thanks them for pointing it out, saying he has forgotten about it and then tells what he has done wrong, in a regretful way. If he's a wolf, it's too easy for him to make himself look innocent by doing that - confessing he's been wrong and being sorry.
See posts #142 and #155.

Of those I'd prefer Kath or Rikae, but I could also vote Isabell (or Legate or Lommy, but I don't think that would be very useful toDay).

edit: xed with too many

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Rikae - On Day 1 she suspected Kath the most from the very beginning, but voted Xyzzy. I don't understand her statement that if Durelin had some sort of a seerish ability, Kath is probably guilty. She said Menel's posts may be our best lead toDay - surprisingly these two never even mentioned each other.

I did mention Menel. I told him his spelling was hurting my head.


Anyway, you [Aganzir] appear to be setting yourself up in opposition to me...suspecting those I trust (with the exception of Kath). You better be darn sure I'm either evil, or won't be killed...

EDIT - X'd with Nogrod. Yes, I'm talkin' to you!

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Anyway, you [Aganzir] appear to be setting yourself up in opposition to me...suspecting those I trust (with the exception of Kath).

I actually suspect those that I find suspicious, and believe it or not it has nothing to do with your opinions.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Aganzir's explanation for her incomplete analysis seemed shaky and poorly thought out. Not capable? Sorry, Agan, but you can't play the newbie card - you've simply shown too much talent.

Let me explain: it's difficult for me to think about many things at the same time (I guess Lommy could certify this, I know how often she has had to hear me complaining about it). I felt I would go crazy if I had to mix yet Durelin to the whole what-happened-in-the-night thing.

Don't you really have any other reason to suspect me?

[Volo]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Volo - I found something worth noticing in his behaviour.
When someone says he has been behaving suspiciously, he thanks them for pointing it out, saying he has forgotten about it and then tells what he has done wrong, in a regretful way. If he's a wolf, it's too easy for him to make himself look innocent by doing that - confessing he's been wrong and being sorry.
See posts #142 and #155.

Haha! Funny of you to mention this as I recall being arrogant in the preveous game and the game I was Wolf in. And don't forget that you yourself are often appologetic.

Gah. Nogrod, I don't know how you manage it, but I woudn't like to suspect you. Last time it was this hard to suspect people was after I lynched the Innocent Diamond...


EDIT: Xd with Mith.

[Mithalwen]

Kath seems cobblerish but Nogrod now seems wolfish.

Don't know what to think about Rikae now she has suspected Kath and then reduced her suspicion . Had a little spat with Aganzir, a bigger spat with Boro, and voted for Boro (which she said she probably would). She has seemed reasonable on so much but the fact we have drawn such vastly different conclusions regarding Boro is making me linger.

There are occasions when innocents destroy each other but they both seem so certain that they are on different sides ..it is arresting.

But I'm tiring and my concentration is not improving...