WW XXXIII - Other Minds and Hands

[Mithalwen]

Maybe now people will take lynching quiet players seriously.

Three of the last day players had post counts lower than the moderator! ...and you lynched the only one that wasn't a wolf....

Now Rikae.. can you explain what was going on with the gifted?

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Now Rikae.. can you explain what was going on with the gifted?

Sure. I'll just post the PM's I sent them...

Originally Posted by Rune's Role

While being an elf extra is quite fulfilling, it doesn't pay all that well; so you moonlight as a security guard at the studio.

Every night, you can choose to do one of the following:

You may guard the trailer where one of your fellow Downers is sleeping; though you cannot guard the same Downer twice in a row (that would be no fun! :P)

-or-

If you wish, you may spy on one of your fellow Downers instead – in which case, you will learn only whether or not that person has a special role.

You know there is another guard in the studio's employ, whose job description differs slightly from yours, but you have never met him/her. Only if you guard or spy on this person will you learn his or her identity; he or she can learn your identity by guarding you. If you each find out who the other is (officially, from me), you may then PM each other at night.




Good luck!

Originally Posted by Lommy's Role

While playing a non-winged Balrog is quite fulfilling, it doesn't pay all that well; so you moonlight as a security guard at the studio.

Every night, you can choose to do one of the following:

You may guard the trailer where one of your fellow Downers is sleeping; though you cannot guard the same Downer twice in a row (that would be no fun! :P)

-or-

If you wish, you may brutally slaughter the fellow Downer of your choice.

You know there is another guard in the studio's employ, whose job description differs slightly from yours, but you have never met him/her. Only if you guard this person will you learn his or her identity; he or she can learn your identity in the same way. If you each find out who the other is (officially, from me), you may then PM each other at night.




Good luck!

Originally Posted by SPaM's Role

You are possessed by the evil spirit of Peter Jackson.

A sort of cobbler seer, you may learn the role of three players of your choice, on three separate nights. The wolves know who you are, and know you have information for them; but you won't know their identities unless you dream of one. You may not PM them at any time, though. Send me your choices anytime during the night phase.




Good luck!

Originally Posted by Volo's Role

You are the “medium”.

You have somehow managed to find favor with the spirit of Professor Tolkien.

Every night, opening your copy of “The Lord of the Rings” at random, you will find a passage which tells you the role of one of your fellow Downers. The identity of the Downer will be randomly chosen, and both the identity and the person's role will be found in the quotation(s). These may be obvious at times and might not at others, but the information will be in the passage.

Furthermore, the spirit of Tolkien cannot die, though you can.

If you perish (at the hands of wolves or bloodthirsty Downers), the person of your choice will become the new medium (whether that person is good or evil).




Good luck!

When Volo was lynched, he chose Aganzir as his successor.

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Rikae

If you perish (at the hands of wolves or bloodthirsty Downers), the person of your choice will become the new medium (whether that person is good or evil).

Ah...so that's why there were two Mediums. Now everything is making sense...

[The Saucepan Man]

Hey, how's a humble Cobbler s'posed to earn a decent living when the Mediums are goin' round stealing his lines? Sinister Seers indeed.

Originally Posted by Di

Big big thanks to SpM, who is the ultimate Cobbler. Really. You did your job perfectly, Gooseman Jackson.

You are welcome, although I fear that I did not perform as well as I would have liked. I had big plans for making a revelation at some point in order really to spice things up. And I would have done so too, but for two things:

1. My choice of dream victims (Legate, Mac and Anguirel on consecutive Nights) were not the best; and

2. Volo kept putting a spanner in the works with his own ever-changing revelations.

I also put in a rather sub-standard performance on spotting the other Wolves. Although I thought Brinniel likely to be a Wolf and and had dreamed of Mac, I was certain for much of the game that the remaining Wolves were Kath and Aganzir.

Still, it was useful to know that Mac was a Wolf on the Day of his "revelation" (although I would probably have guessed from that anyway), and it was also helpful to know of two innocents that I could concentrate my fire on without risking getting a Wolf lynched. My reason for dreaming of Legate, by the way, was because I thought that he looked Wolfish and so concluded, on the basis of my usual performance, that he might well be the Seer ...

I like to think that I contributed to getting Volo double-lynched with Mac. That said, it came as a massive surprise (and delight) to me when it happened. Contrary to Anguirel's view, I found that Day most exciting and enjoyed myself greatly, even though I knew that I would most likely be dead meat the next Day (better me, of course, than a Wolf).

I thought that someone might possibly go for my alternative interpretation of the dreams on my last Day, but was not overly confident. I actually part-believed my own interpretation of the Aganzir dream, though, still thinking that she might be a Wolf! I also had one worked out for the Legate dream - based on the quote being about Saruman - but he was dead before I got to use it.

As for that last minute "revelation" of Aganzir's , I only just spotted it before I hit submit on my farewell post. I thought that she was probably bluffing, but that if she was not, it was unlikely that she would be naming the person she truly intended to hunt. Had I had more time, I probably wuld have posted as much, but happily Shasta and Di made the right decision anyway.

A wonderful, really enjoyable game - one of the classics in my view - so thanks to all concerned, and particularly to Rikae for coming up with such a great scenario and bringing it off marvellously, and of course to my Hyaenine friends for securing the victory.

Hooorah!

[Rikae]

I would just like to add...

This was the Battle of FIVE SEERS!!!!

Four real ones (sort of), and Mac...

[Volo]

Originally Posted by Rikae

I would just like to add...

This was the Battle of FIVE SEERS!!!!

Four real ones (sort of), and Mac...

And Gil and SPM!

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Volo

And Gil and SPM!

Weeeelll...I counted SPM, actually, since he was a real seer. Gil I didn't count because he only "revealed" in jest...

[Volo]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Weeeelll...I counted SPM, actually, since he was a real seer. Gil I didn't count because he only "revealed" in jest...

Oh, sure, indeed...

[Diamond18]

Ah, by the way, my apparent annoyance/taking offense when Agnazir questioned my confusion over Mac and Volo was completely fanged.... er, feigned. She pinned my lie down exactly (I was leaving the door open to switch to Volo if it meant saving Mac, and would have if I had bloody well been able to get online, grr!) and I felt like a truly evil wolf for the first time when I got Agnazir to apologize for being right.

Sorry... (not really, tee hee)

[Brinniel]

Okay, Night 1.

We didn't really have much to talk about. The main discussion was about SPM, who we knew was the Cobbler/Seer from the very start.

Originally Posted by Mac

What do we do with SPM?

I'm not sure whether his role works like a common seer. It says he will be "receiving information". Might it be a passive seer who only receives a dream that Rikae chooses for him? I asked her, but she wouldn't tell me any more.
If he can choose whom to dream of, it might be good to have him dream of one of us as soon as possible. I would like to step on his toes to make him dream of me (hopefully without attracting suspicions from anybody else), so we have a tiny ability to communicate by hints during the days. It would be of great help to us, but also dangerous if anybody else notices (then again, neither Roa or Nogrod are in this game).

In the end, SPM turned out to be a great ally...I don't think our win would've been possible without him.

SPM- Did you dream of a wolf early on? I'm really curious to see who your choices were each night...

[Mithalwen]

Oh that is a bit of an advantage..... knowing who the cobbler was ..... especially when the ordos had no certainty about their gifted.....

I guess my early demise serves me right for keeping the "quest hangs on the edge of a knife" for a later that never came...

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Oh that is a bit of an advantage..... knowing who the cobbler was ..... especially when the ordos had no certainty about their gifted.....

I guess my early demise serves me right for keeping the "quest hangs on the edge of a knife" for a later that never came...

Well, I figured a semi-immortal seer and two rangers would balance it out...
and, after all, if Gil or Ang had voted for Di today, it could have ended quite differently.

I was actually hoping they'd get a wolf today, so tomorrow there would be two ordos and one wolf...that would have been fun to watch. Well, maybe not, with everyone so quiet...oh well.

[Mithalwen]

It is alwasy hard to judge - at least I found so - I had two whitewash games as mods - the wolves won with 3 gifted and the villages with one...

But the uncertainty over gifteds benefits the wolves since they can lie through their miserable fangs.... *cough* Mac

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Mac

I asked her, but she wouldn't tell me any more.

Weeel, at least he admits to trying to cheat!

I'm tempted to answer for SPaM, but I'll let him post his dreams himself...

[Mithalwen]

Clever stuff Rikae.
Pity Lommie got snuffed out so soon....

Notes from Mandos soon after I was killed .. I wasn't able to keep up so completely afterwards... but I needed ot work out some of the total Paranoia in private blog entries.

Why do I have to die so early in such an interesting game? I have never died so soon (apart from when I was righteously lynched of course.) I have never been wrongly lynched. Other times I have either been so clueless and /or batty that the wolveshave kept me alive. Although I have my moments I wouldn't say I was the deadliest of wolfbanes. I will take some credit for picking out Lalwende, and I tend to know when Sauce is a wrong-un but I can go too persistently up the wrong track.
I knew I was doomed - my only hope was that they would go for a "flitter" or Durelin leaving no tracks (of course it is better to kill someone unlikely to be lynched) or that there would be a ranger save. And though Rikae's narration indicates 2 rangery type bods neither of them thought to protect me....

I wonder a lot about Volo's role. He must have some power but I am a little peeved that his main achievement so far was to highlight my innocence/ possible giftedness. I suppose on a film set the Prof might be Cobblerish .

I am so sorry that I lost my analysis post - It might have saved me.

I suspect (and it is statistically probable) that there is a wolf among the low level posters. Also sad to say among my closer downer friends who may think I know them too well to leave alive - Boro, Lommie, Ang ...Rune ....

Kath is a friend but she knows I can't read her so I am less likely to be a top priority. Sauce I couldn't call a friend but he reads me quite well as shown when he took my daemon test. He usually attacks me when he is a wolf / cobbler - which didn't happened. However in a game rich in newer players I think he would have preferred to keep me around as one of the old guard I provide a better cover for him.

I still suspect Legate - why has noone picked up on him saying I didn't participate much yesterday?

Of course I was completely wrong about Sauce and was wrong to suspect my friends. Next time I shall have to garner suspicion.... but not too much...

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Why do I have to die so early in such an interesting game? I have never died so soon (apart from when I was righteously lynched of course.)

Actually, you usually living long was a reason for us to kill you. I always feel bad about the first kill who only gets one day to play, so among the ones whose death wouldn't have done us any harm, we chose the one whom we could kill with the least bad conscience.

Sorry Mith. And sorry Ang, it wasn't meant to spoil your fun.

Originally Posted by Brinn

This would have been fun, but never came to be because Sauce was simply playing too smooth on Day One.

Originally Posted by Rikae

Weeel, at least he admits to trying to cheat!

I was only aiming at clarification.

Originally Posted by Mith

But the uncertainty over gifteds benefits the wolves since they can lie through their miserable fangs.... *cough* Mac

I'm sure I could've done the same if the gifted roles had been known to everybody.

[Diamond18]

Our last night we mostly discussion things over MSN, but there are a few PM's to show:

Originally Posted by Diamond

I really think we still have to kill Agnazir. There's achance she's lying and isn't the hunter or doesn't intend to hunt you at all

if we don't, you'll surely be lynched.

what do you think?

(I was supposed to be working at the time hence the lack of capitalization)

Originally Posted by Shasta

If she's not lying, we're doomed.

I wonder... what if we go after Ang tonight? Tomorrow, I can play the "That's exactly why the wolves didn't kill Aganzir, to pin me!" card... also, we have a better chance of turning a lynch onto Gil or Kath, I think. I think we'd better go back and check the narrations, but she might be bluffing...

Originally Posted by Diamond

Well, it is your neck on the line.... So I'm reluctant to encourage you to die. But I have this feeling that she's bluffing, because didn't we already have an assasin in Lommy? She had a choice between protecting and hunting, and the night she died she was protecting, so she didn't take anyone with her. But what are the chances that Rikae put essentially TWO hunters in the game? That's why I suspect a bluff. Also, Hunters are notorious for lying about their intended hunt, just to see how the wolves will react.

It's a tight spot. If you die I really don't think I can make it till the end, my strength this game is hiding in numbers and the less people there are the more evil I look. Ang says he trusts me and that's why I'm very reluctant to kill him. I don't think he'll want to vote for me but I don't know about the others.

Anyway, I'll IM you since we're both online.

Over MSN we decided that we couldn't get Shasta out of it if we didn't kill Agnazir, so hoped for the best. And got it.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Sauce

I was certain for much of the game that the remaining Wolves were Kath and Aganzir.

I actually noticed how you kept saying "I think Aganzir is innocent" when others were suspecting me, and I found it somewhat strange.

Originally Posted by Sauce

As for that last minute "revelation" of Aganzir's , I only just spotted it before I hit submit on my farewell post. I thought that she was probably bluffing, but that if she was not, it was unlikely that she would be naming the person she truly intended to hunt. Had I had more time, I probably wuld have posted as much, but happily Shasta and Di made the right decision anyway.

It was almost deadline when I came up with that idea and I didn't have much time to formulate my post. Afterwards I thought it would have been better if I had said something like "I will hunt one of these", but then again I was quite certain about Shasta (and I thought they couldn't know for sure if I was only bluffing about hunting him). I thought the Wolves wouldn't probably believe me, but at least I had to try (if I had survived we would have had one "dream" more). And of course I wanted to cause some confusion among the Wolves, if not more than a discussion if they should kill me or not. *insert evil grin*

Originally Posted by Nasssty Wolf

I wonder... what if we go after Ang tonight? Tomorrow, I can play the "That's exactly why the wolves didn't kill Aganzir, to pin me!" card...

Hah, I thought that had I survived the Wolves might have started accusing me during the day. Like "maybe Volo interpreted the riddle wrong, she indeed is a Wolf and claimed to be the Hunter just that we wouldn't wonder why she wasn't killed!"

[Volo]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

*insert evil grin*

This should become an official BD-smiley!

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I actually noticed how you kept saying "I think Aganzir is innocent" when others were suspecting me, and I found it somewhat strange.



It was almost deadline when I came up with that idea and I didn't have much time to formulate my post. Afterwards I thought it would have been better if I had said something like "I will hunt one of these", but then again I was quite certain about Shasta (and I thought they couldn't know for sure if I was only bluffing about hunting him). I thought the Wolves wouldn't probably believe me, but at least I had to try (if I had survived we would have had one "dream" more). And of course I wanted to cause some confusion among the Wolves, if not more than a discussion if they should kill me or not. *insert evil grin*



Hah, I thought that had I survived the Wolves might have started accusing me during the day. Like "maybe Volo interpreted the riddle wrong, she indeed is a Wolf and claimed to be the Hunter just that we wouldn't wonder why she wasn't killed!"

Nassssty? Me?

Seriously, though, great game Rikae.

Unfortunately, that bit about me having mono is true. =(

I think a lot of our success in the beginning was definately due to Mac and Brinn... thanks guys.

Di was the perfect silent partner! *lick*

And, SPM, you can make me a pair of shoes anytime. XD

Kath is right. I am bouncy. *bounces*

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Actually, you usually living long was a reason for us to kill you. I always feel bad about the first kill who only gets one day to play, so among the ones whose death wouldn't have done us any harm, we chose the one whom we could kill with the least bad conscience.

Personally speaking that strategy sucks - The one time I haven't been working and the deadline was possible ...I die..... all the games where getting killed early would have been a bit of a relief and saved me busting a gut to get some computer access ... I stay alive... What ever theory you were working on "Murphy's" Law kicked in

and I was having such fun with darling Celeborn...

[Diamond18]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Maybe now people will take lynching quiet players seriously.

Three of the last day players had post counts lower than the moderator! ...and you lynched the only one that wasn't a wolf....

In my case, at least, I would have been that quiet whether I was a wolf or an ordo or a gifted. It was rather lucky, really, that I had such a perfectly honest and good excuse for slipping under the radar. But there was a good mix -- Mac, Brinniel, and SpM were all rather loud. Shasta and I were really the only quiet baddies.

On that note, I want to thank Mac and Brinn for pulling most of the weight early on. Before their deaths they were doing 90% of the talking at Night and during the Day. And Mac's seer ploy worked out much better than I would have thought -- even though he got lynched, he took Volo down with him. I recall sending a PM that Night that went something along the lines of *drinks a toast to Volo's blood, possibly consisting of Volo's blood* -- because I was majorly, majorly relieved to see Volo dead. I'd been gnashing my teeth over the idea that he couldn't be killed right away. So kudos to Volo for being such a thorn in our wolvish sides....

I have to admit (boast?) that I nominated Lommy to be killed and felt an enormous amount of glee when she turned out to be gifted.

And I want to thank Shasta for being my sneaky partner in quiet crime, and for agreeing to kill Agnazir even though it looked as if his head was on the line. We spent a bit of time on MSN talking about the how we were between a rock and a hard place -- if she was really a hunter and was hunting him, he'd die, but if we didn't kill her, it would be really hard to avoid a lynching.

Big big thanks to SpM, who is the ultimate Cobbler. Really. You did your job perfectly, Gooseman Jackson.

Most thanks to Rikae, who was a wonderful mod. I loved the premise of the game (I couldn't NOT join) and the narrations were great. Also, this is the first time I've ever gotten to be bad, and to quote Venom: "I like being bad. It makes me happy."

*clutches Downie in furry paws and rambles and gushes in true awards ceremony fashion*