WW XXXIII - Other Minds and Hands

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Gil

... but Aganzir is a proven innocent

No she's not.

Originally Posted by Gil

... and if he proves innocent? then what?

Wolves (and Cobbler) win.

Originally Posted by Gil

... i am really close with taking my vote of him off because if we all bandwagon on him, the wolves will probably join us and hide amongst us...

I doubt that it will make much difference. The Wolves will vote for me for as long as they remain within the majority. If they manage to get me lynched, it makes little difference how obvious this makes them look when I am proven innocent since, with the Cobbler's help, victory will be theirs toMorrow. Their only hesitation might be if they actually think I could be the Cobbler.

[Gil-Galad]

heres what we do, as i am certain most of us are following Aganzirs words about SPM, so if Spm proves to be an innocent, then we in turn go after Aganzir, who can try to defend himself but it will be hard seeing how he so adamantly brought SPM into the spotlight


"medium is the seer with a twist" i beleive thats what Rikae said... so how can we be certain that it wasn't a backwards seer working for the wolves?


if we lynch SPM, and the wolves kill Aganzir, who both turn out to be innocent, then we will be set back a bit, and it will be dangerous... i await the deadline with anxiety

[Anguirel]

Gil, you seem to have suddenly taken to listening to Sauce. This is a bad habit. I suppose you could be a wolf as well...groan

I will do some thinking and voting about two hours before the deadline. I do however think that Sauce's banter is clearly bunkum. It seems so implausible to me that he could be a Cobbler yet again that I am currently inclined to regard him as a wolf, after the necessary lateral thinking of course...

There is no way Aganzir could be guilty; surely Sauce's attempt to destabilise this fact shows him up?

I'm thinking about voting Shasta actually, but I fea that would get little support...

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Anguirel

Gil, you seem to have suddenly taken to listening to Sauce.

And so have you by the look of it.

At least Gil's trying to think outside the box, unlike anyone else around here, which makes me think slightly better of him.

Originally Posted by Anguirel

There is no way Aganzir could be guilty

Why not? Volo thought that she was when he first received the dream about her. And, if she is, her actions are precisely those that a Wolf in her position would take.

[Aganzir]

Voting thus far:

Shasta ++Gil (Gil-1)
Aganzir ++Spm (Spm-1, Gil-1)
Gil ++Spm (Spm-2, Gil-1)
Kath ++Spm (Spm-3, Gil-1)

Yet to vote: Anguirel, Diamond, Sauce

I'm interested to see how many ordos vote another ordo. Of course we can't know who is ordo and who is not, but by the end of the Day we should know at least something. No one but Shasta has yet voted Gil, and if an ordo votes another ordo, the only reason for the wolves not to vote that very ordo immediately is the possibility of retractions.
If Shasta won't retract his vote and no one else votes Gil, this should prove you toMorrow that either Shasta or Gil is a wolf.

Originally Posted by Spm

And, if she is, her actions are precisely those that a Wolf in her position would take.

Just for curiosity, I'd like to know what a wolf in my position would exactly do. If you want to make others feel uncertain about me, you should at least explain better.

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Just for curiosity, I'd like to know what a wolf in my position would exactly do. If you want to make others feel uncertain about me, you should at least explain better.

Woah! Did someone speak to me ...?

Well, if anyone bothered listening to me, they would see that I explained that very point in my posts #415 and #417. Volo the Medium dreams of a Wolf and misinterprets that dream to conclude that the Wolf is innocent, as does everyone else. What else would the Wolf do but immediately and staunchly support the claim and continue to proceed on the basis of Volo's deductions?

[Anguirel]

Personally, I am of the opinion that the meaning of that riddle is fairly clear. I mean, it is the great redemptive line about Gollum in Tolkien. As for the "part of his mind which was still his own", as I see it this has to refer to the in-character role. And it doesn't sound conclusively wolfish. No part of a werewolf's mind is still his own, I say!

As a result

++SAUCE

I'm not as convinced as I was of Kath's guilt...that last post seemed fairly genuine. But I am fairly sure Sauce is a wolf not a cobbler. He acted early to quash suspicions of Brinniel, and systematically left her in the lurch, in a lupine manner.

I trust Diamond and distrust everyone else in varying degrees...probably Shasta most.