WW XXXIII - Other Minds and Hands

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Kath

Wait, wait, wait. Isn't the Cobbler on our side? Not in terms of allegiance obviously but in terms of numbers? I was under the impression that the Cobbler counted as an innocent until the numbers of wolves and innocents were equal.

In terms of numbers the Cobbler is on our side. Of course it would be better to find a Wolf toDay, but I'm afraid I'm no gambler. We have to kill either the Cobbler or a Wolf, and I think the best opinion is to kill Spm.
Would someone care to explain me why it is so certain that Spm is the Cobbler? I just don't understand why almost everybody seems to think it's obvious. He may as well be a wolf.

Now there are 7 of us alive. Let's think of a situation that we lynch an ordo. ToMorrow there would be 5 alive. Two Wolves, two ordos and the Cobbler. If the Cobbler is alive, the Wolves & the Cobbler together outnumber the ordos. They vote an ordo and win.

Diamond, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to sound offensive. Your behaviour just seemed strange to me, but now that I think it I guess all you who have played longer than I have seen a lot of games where the first one to claim to be the Seer is not one.

Gil, I definitely haven't played enough with you to know your style, so all I can do is to point out things I find suspicious, no matter were you always like that.

[Anguirel]

Diamond, there is certainly a non-wolf nasty somewhere. But it need not be Sauce. Before we lynched a wolf, five people were described in the narration as harbouring evil intentions.

Glad to have you back. I don't think you're a wolf. I was just flirting. In fact, I've modelled my entire approach this game since Day 2 on your typical style, semi-consciously...

I think it's interesting that Kath is stressing so emphatically that it would be dangerous to lynch Sauce if he is the cobbler. Is there any evidence in that riddle that he is cobbler not outright lupine baddy? No, there is not. I think she's trying to save her fellow-wolf. Both Sauce and Kath pooh-poohed my Brinniel case on Day 2. Sauce even attempted to use my success - the first time I've spotted a wolf correctly in ages, shame it had to be at the wrong time! - against me by "suspecting" a wolf-for-wolf vote.

Shasta seems to me the most likely other wolf.

There is a broad consensus building against me. I know that if Sauce was an innocent he would be defending me, knowing my habits as he does. I am capricious, and sometimes disastrous, to my own side. It's what I do. Then I come spectacularly good.

If Sauce, Shasta and Kath are not our remaining foes I will eat my bowtie and my nice waistcoat with its silver buttons. I shall present you with a proper anti-Kath tirade at a slightly later date.

If we must fight shy of lynching Sauce, I would like to take down Kath. Notice their identical, uncharacteristic styles early on - they concentrated all fire on a certain innocent suspect, Legate and Rune respectively. Known in the trade as the Farael-tactic, this technique usually implies guilt, unless it is being employed by Farael himself, in which case it sometimes does.

Those who suspect me, elucidate why, out of the admittedly abundant evidence against me, much of which I have deliberately constructed to avoid sharing my wife's fate, and I am happy to answer. But I don't want to monopolise proceedings today or tomorrow. I am not a mystery, I am a jester, a jester who could be of help if you took him seriously for once - could have been of help if you'd taken him seriously on Day 2.

[Kath]

Then I suggest you find a bottle of something that will help that bowtie of yours go down easier Ang, for you will be eating it.

Oh yes, and I love that I'm being told off for actually having real suspicions.

I am not against lynching Sauce full stop. I am against lynching Sauce if we can find a better candidate because if he is the Cobbler he can be useful in keeping our numbers up. The reason I think it more likely he is the Cobbler is because Volo thought so, and that particular boy is a master at riddles.

Now, I must go and I don't know if I will be back at the deadline so to make sure this actually has any effect at all:

++ SAUCE

Feel free to lynch me along with him Ang, but you'll be kicking yourself afterwards.

[The Saucepan Man]

Gah! This is so frustrating!

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Would someone care to explain me why it is so certain that Spm is the Cobbler? I just don't understand why almost everybody seems to think it's obvious. He may as well be a wolf.

Would someone care to explain to me exactly why you have made up your minds that I am either a Wolf or a Cobbler? So, I got it wrong about Volo and Legate. I was not the only one. As for Volo’s dream, well try a little lateral thinking.

Originally Posted by Anguirel

I think it's interesting that Kath is stressing so emphatically that it would be dangerous to lynch Sauce if he is the cobbler.

I suspect that she has fallen for the general feeling that I might be the Cobbler. She does look distinctly furry to me. Notice how, when challenged, she put in a vote for me, in an attempt to sidestep the building suspicion. She did exactly the same thing yesterDay, with her vote for Mac.

Originally Posted by Anguirel

Those who suspect me, elucidate why, out of the admittedly abundant evidence against me, much of which I have deliberately constructed to avoid sharing my wife's fate, and I am happy to answer.

So, you are claiming that you have deliberately acted suspiciously, thus endangering the village, so as to preserve your own life? That’s hardly innocent behaviour. It’s not really necessary to elucidate why you look suspicious, since you fully accept that you do. However, if I had to point to anything, apart from statements like this, I would note that your voting looks decidedly dodgy. Quite apart from your safe vote for Brinniel and your capricious vote yesterDay, you do, I think, hold the village record for retractions, and it seems to me that, save where they are prompted by revelations, Wolves (and the Cobbler) have the most to gain from making full use of the ability to switch votes.

[Gil-Galad]

I must agree with SPM... i just don't like it... but Aganzir is a proven innocent, but he is just an innocent trying to lead the rest of us againest SPM... and if he proves innocent? then what?

i feel i must take the chance with SPM... i am really close with taking my vote of him off because if we all bandwagon on him, the wolves will probably join us and hide amongst us...

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Gil

... but Aganzir is a proven innocent

No she's not.

Originally Posted by Gil

... and if he proves innocent? then what?

Wolves (and Cobbler) win.

Originally Posted by Gil

... i am really close with taking my vote of him off because if we all bandwagon on him, the wolves will probably join us and hide amongst us...

I doubt that it will make much difference. The Wolves will vote for me for as long as they remain within the majority. If they manage to get me lynched, it makes little difference how obvious this makes them look when I am proven innocent since, with the Cobbler's help, victory will be theirs toMorrow. Their only hesitation might be if they actually think I could be the Cobbler.

[Gil-Galad]

heres what we do, as i am certain most of us are following Aganzirs words about SPM, so if Spm proves to be an innocent, then we in turn go after Aganzir, who can try to defend himself but it will be hard seeing how he so adamantly brought SPM into the spotlight


"medium is the seer with a twist" i beleive thats what Rikae said... so how can we be certain that it wasn't a backwards seer working for the wolves?


if we lynch SPM, and the wolves kill Aganzir, who both turn out to be innocent, then we will be set back a bit, and it will be dangerous... i await the deadline with anxiety