Eowyn vs. Aragorn - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Folwren · 05-20-2007, 12:48 PM

I don't think that if it had been a serious encounter, Aragorn would have approached her in such a manner. Of course, in a real fight, he would win. But at that moment right then and there, did she not put him off his guard and have him in a rather tight place? (Anyway, didn't it appear so?)

I'm not asking you to think about it. I'm asking you, what was your impression, just watching it? Quit analizing it. What did you see?

I know I saw Eowyn put Aragorn off his guard and put him in a tight place that, had she continued the stroke, would have ended up with him killed. Yes, maybe Aragorn wasn't really fighting. Yes, maybe Eowyn did catch him by surprise. Yes, maybe Aragorn was just expecting her to back down and concede to his statement. It doesn't matter - Eowyn removed the dagger from between his body and her sword, and you can't deny it. If it was Aragorn's move, then he made an awful mistake.

-- Folwren

Ataralasse · 05-20-2007, 03:28 PM

I saw it go something like this...

First, she was just startled because she didn't hear him coming. She wasn't annoyed at him, just a tiny bit freaked. He is her crush, after all.

Then he says she has "some" skill with a blade. Ticked, she makes a move: she challenges him: "Try me." She wanted to show him that she had more than just "some" skill with a blade, or that whatever she might lack in skill she made up for in spirit or courage or whatnot. Aragorn refused to fight, and she began her short "The women of this country..." speech.

In short, I didn't really see it as a "who was in charge" sort of move. I saw it as a challenge. She didn't want to beat him yet. She wanted to fight him first.

Or maybe ... ::thinks::

Maybe she thought she already won, but she wanted to see what he'd do. Sort of like 'checkmate': you haven't actually captured the king (king? heh) -- you don't have to: he can't make any more moves. But Aragorn neither accepted nor rejected that she'd won, and that ticked her off. "The women of this country...&c."

Hmm ... I guess I'm sitting the fence on this one. >_<

TheGreatElvenWarrior · 08-05-2007, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Ataralasse

I saw it go something like this...

First, she was just startled because she didn't hear him coming. She wasn't annoyed at him, just a tiny bit freaked. He is her crush, after all.

Then he says she has "some" skill with a blade. Ticked, she makes a move: she challenges him: "Try me." She wanted to show him that she had more than just "some" skill with a blade, or that whatever she might lack in skill she made up for in spirit or courage or whatnot. Aragorn refused to fight, and she began her short "The women of this country..." speech.

In short, I didn't really see it as a "who was in charge" sort of move. I saw it as a challenge. She didn't want to beat him yet. She wanted to fight him first.

Or maybe ... ::thinks::

Maybe she thought she already won, but she wanted to see what he'd do. Sort of like 'checkmate': you haven't actually captured the king (king? heh) -- you don't have to: he can't make any more moves. But Aragorn neither accepted nor rejected that she'd won, and that ticked her off. "The women of this country...&c."

Hmm ... I guess I'm sitting the fence on this one. >_<

well that is true hmmm...

Groin Redbeard · 11-09-2007, 04:00 PM

I think the whole purpose of that scene was to show Eowyn's skill. Aragorn was in a relaxed posture, clearly just teasing her. Not to say that Eowyn's more skilled than Aragorn, but to say that she is not without skill.

Essex · 11-11-2007, 01:56 PM

another thread on "who would have beaten the other" - just like the mother of all threads Gandalf v the Witch King.

I'm now waiting for elightened people from both sides of the argument to come out and tell us one would have beaten the other with 100% certainly!!!!

Sauron the White · 11-11-2007, 05:05 PM

Redbeard has it pretty much right. Aragorn is the consumate fighter with skill that would would compare to Babe Ruth or Michael Jordan in their respective fields. He did not even bat an eye to Eowyn and - while she has more skill than otherwise might be initially guessed at - it was nothing compared to Aragorn. He was just playing cat and mouse with her.

But it was cute.

Finduilas · 11-11-2007, 07:55 PM

I have no doubt that Aragorn would have won in a real combat or anything. Just, at that particular moment, Eowyn had the better of him.

-- Folwren

alatar · 11-13-2007, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Sauron the White

Redbeard has it pretty much right. Aragorn is the consumate fighter with skill that would would compare to Babe Ruth or Michael Jordan in their respective fields. He did not even bat an eye to Eowyn and - while she has more skill than otherwise might be initially guessed at - it was nothing compared to Aragorn. He was just playing cat and mouse with her.

But what of the standard canards of:

David versus Goliath

The strongest/mightiest doesn't always win

This is Peter Jackson's LotR

Logic is futile

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But it was cute.

Eowyn seemed a little unhinged at the moment (i.e. Lost Eomer, lost Theodred, lost her job in caring for Theoden, lost Wormtongue, ...), and wasn't there something more useful she would have been doing than to be swinging a sword around 'indoors?' I wouldn't let my little ones play with as much as an umbrella.

05-20-2007, 12:48 PM	#1
Folwren Messenger of Hope Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a tiny, insignificant little town in one of the many States. Posts: 5,076	I don't think that if it had been a serious encounter, Aragorn would have approached her in such a manner. Of course, in a real fight, he would win. But at that moment right then and there, did she not put him off his guard and have him in a rather tight place? (Anyway, didn't it appear so?) I'm not asking you to think about it. I'm asking you, what was your impression, just watching it? Quit analizing it. What did you see? I know I saw Eowyn put Aragorn off his guard and put him in a tight place that, had she continued the stroke, would have ended up with him killed. Yes, maybe Aragorn wasn't really fighting. Yes, maybe Eowyn did catch him by surprise. Yes, maybe Aragorn was just expecting her to back down and concede to his statement. It doesn't matter - Eowyn removed the dagger from between his body and her sword, and you can't deny it. If it was Aragorn's move, then he made an awful mistake. -- Folwren __________________ A young man who wishes to remain a sound atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. - C.S. Lewis

05-20-2007, 03:28 PM	#2
Ataralasse Pile O'Bones Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Mirkwood Posts: 20	I saw it go something like this... First, she was just startled because she didn't hear him coming. She wasn't annoyed at him, just a tiny bit freaked. He is her crush, after all. Then he says she has "some" skill with a blade. Ticked, she makes a move: she challenges him: "Try me." She wanted to show him that she had more than just "some" skill with a blade, or that whatever she might lack in skill she made up for in spirit or courage or whatnot. Aragorn refused to fight, and she began her short "The women of this country..." speech. In short, I didn't really see it as a "who was in charge" sort of move. I saw it as a challenge. She didn't want to beat him yet. She wanted to fight him first. Or maybe ... ::thinks:: Maybe she thought she already won, but she wanted to see what he'd do. Sort of like 'checkmate': you haven't actually captured the king (king? heh) -- you don't have to: he can't make any more moves. But Aragorn neither accepted nor rejected that she'd won, and that ticked her off. "The women of this country...&c." Hmm ... I guess I'm sitting the fence on this one. >_< __________________ This was unexpected and rather difficult. There was some scattered clapping, but most of them were trying to work it out to see if it came to a compliment.

11-09-2007, 04:00 PM	#4
Groin Redbeard Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Facing the world's troubles with Christ's hope! Posts: 1,635	I think the whole purpose of that scene was to show Eowyn's skill. Aragorn was in a relaxed posture, clearly just teasing her. Not to say that Eowyn's more skilled than Aragorn, but to say that she is not without skill. __________________ I heard the bells on Christmas Day. Their old, familiar carols play. And wild and sweet the words repeatof peace on earth, good-will to men! ~Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

11-11-2007, 07:55 PM	#7
Finduilas Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Home. Where rolling green hills and clear rivers are practically my backyard. Posts: 595	I have no doubt that Aragorn would have won in a real combat or anything. Just, at that particular moment, Eowyn had the better of him. -- Folwren __________________ One (1) book of rules and traffic regulations, which may not be bent or broken. ~ The Phantom Tollbooth

11-11-2007, 01:56 PM	#5
Essex Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Essex, England Posts: 886	another thread on "who would have beaten the other" - just like the mother of all threads Gandalf v the Witch King. I'm now waiting for elightened people from both sides of the argument to come out and tell us one would have beaten the other with 100% certainly!!!!

11-11-2007, 05:05 PM	#6
Sauron the White Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 903	Redbeard has it pretty much right. Aragorn is the consumate fighter with skill that would would compare to Babe Ruth or Michael Jordan in their respective fields. He did not even bat an eye to Eowyn and - while she has more skill than otherwise might be initially guessed at - it was nothing compared to Aragorn. He was just playing cat and mouse with her. But it was cute.