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Nogrod · 05-03-2007, 03:13 PM

I don't think we will solve this with logic even if it clearly holds that if we don't perceive / find something, that doesn't mean we have proven that something not to exist. I bet no one of you has seen ZSDFjxcklöbnx (or a god of your liking). Neither have I but we can't rule out the possibility that ZSDFjxcklöbnx (or a god of your liking) exists.

Or, can someone of you prove you didn't cast that funny voting ticket with Donald Duck drawn to it during the last elections? If there is no evidence to share - even how deep your own conviction about the thing might be - it's either way and we can't prove it.

Lack of evidence doesn't prove anything (in courts it decides with the in dubio pro reo though, but happily we can't draw the prof into the court with this question...

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But I think Davem is right in insisting that Tolkien seems quite intent in excluding homosexuality from his world. So I can see an authorial intention not to mention openly such a possibility in his M-E, whatever his reasons to that were.

How much power the author has over his creation after it has left his hands and spread to the world is then another question I think?

05-03-2007, 03:13 PM	#30
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	I don't think we will solve this with logic even if it clearly holds that if we don't perceive / find something, that doesn't mean we have proven that something not to exist. I bet no one of you has seen ZSDFjxcklöbnx (or a god of your liking). Neither have I but we can't rule out the possibility that ZSDFjxcklöbnx (or a god of your liking) exists. Or, can someone of you prove you didn't cast that funny voting ticket with Donald Duck drawn to it during the last elections? If there is no evidence to share - even how deep your own conviction about the thing might be - it's either way and we can't prove it. Lack of evidence doesn't prove anything (in courts it decides with the in dubio pro reo though, but happily we can't draw the prof into the court with this question... ). But I think Davem is right in insisting that Tolkien seems quite intent in excluding homosexuality from his world. So I can see an authorial intention not to mention openly such a possibility in his M-E, whatever his reasons to that were. How much power the author has over his creation after it has left his hands and spread to the world is then another question I think? __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...