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Anáwiel · 05-03-2007, 10:35 AM

Correct.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 05-03-2007, 02:45 PM

Fine, nice one it was. So then...

...give me the surnames of at least three characters who - consciously or just indirectly - served the Enemy (so that it does not confuse you, you might just imagine "who were evil" instead of it).

Rune Son of Bjarne · 05-03-2007, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

(so that it does not confuse you, you might just imagine "who were evil" instead of it).

That bit really confused me!

Thalion
Turambar

hmm neither maeglin or Uldor seems to have a last name. . .neither does Saruman

Ok I have nothing so I am going to give a guess I am almost sertain is wrong, but my third guess will be

Gorlim the Unhappy

Legate of Amon Lanc · 05-04-2007, 06:05 AM

No, no, Rune, in your case, it'd be perhaps better if I stayed just with the first formulation "served the Enemy, consciously or indirectly"

Neither Húrin nor Túrin served the Enemy at any point. And I wouldn't call them "evil" as well. You might use these examples to show you where are the "borders" of the terms I used.

Also, note please, that neither Turambar, nor Thalion, and certainly not Unhappy are surnames. Or, at least not how I meant it. Surname is, well, the family name, the name you have common with your son or father or whatever.

If there are any further questions, please don't be afraid to ask

The Might · 05-04-2007, 06:28 AM

1. Barliman, Butterbur, who forgot about the message he was supposed to send and so indirectly helped the Nazgul track Frodo
2. Goatleaf, Harry and
3. Ferny, Bill who were suspected by Aragorn of doing work for the Nazgul

I also though about Hobbits, but none really helped Sauron
I actually had a more or less strange idea
It might also be that the Horblowers indirectly helped Sauron. Because of his cultivation of pipe-weed, it spread in the Shire and eventually even Saruman decided to purchase some. The squint-eyed Southerner that was on his way to Isengard to bring the pipe-weed was caught by the Nazgul and revealed precious information about The Shire and Baggins.

Rune Son of Bjarne · 05-04-2007, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

No, no, Rune, in your case, it'd be perhaps better if I stayed just with the first formulation "served the Enemy, consciously or indirectly"

Neither Húrin nor Túrin served the Enemy at any point. And I wouldn't call them "evil" as well. You might use these examples to show you where are the "borders" of the terms I used.

Also, note please, that neither Turambar, nor Thalion, and certainly not Unhappy are surnames. Or, at least not how I meant it. Surname is, well, the family name, the name you have common with your son or father or whatever.

If there are any further questions, please don't be afraid to ask

They sertainly did serve the enemy indirectly! Well in the sense that they served his purpose.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 05-04-2007, 06:47 AM

Good, good. Only I would except old Barney from it. Simply put: I'm looking for characters, who were evil and/or directly or indirectly served the Enemy. Barney was not evil, it was a mistake. The same on Túrin&co - their intention was not to do evil. Ah, yes, that's probably the best formulation: I'm seeking for three surnames of some who had evil intentions in mind. (and thus, indirectly served the Enemy)

Rune Son of Bjarne · 05-04-2007, 06:58 AM

hehe thanks for clarifying. . .

Sackville-Baggins (debatable)
Wormtongue (or was he one of the enemies?)
Ferny

The Might · 05-04-2007, 07:02 AM

You should try mentioning that in the beginning...

Ok, so you have two...
I'd add Baggins, Frodo
After he put on the Ring he became ensnared by it and definitely had evil intentions of controlling M-e; this served Sauron as he realised how close to destruction he was.

btw, I think Wormtongue is a title not a family name

05-03-2007, 02:45 PM	#2
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Fine, nice one it was. So then... ...give me the surnames of at least three characters who - consciously or just indirectly - served the Enemy (so that it does not confuse you, you might just imagine "who were evil" instead of it). __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

05-04-2007, 06:05 AM	#4
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	No, no, Rune, in your case, it'd be perhaps better if I stayed just with the first formulation "served the Enemy, consciously or indirectly" Neither Húrin nor Túrin served the Enemy at any point. And I wouldn't call them "evil" as well. You might use these examples to show you where are the "borders" of the terms I used. Also, note please, that neither Turambar, nor Thalion, and certainly not Unhappy are surnames. Or, at least not how I meant it. Surname is, well, the family name, the name you have common with your son or father or whatever. If there are any further questions, please don't be afraid to ask __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

05-04-2007, 06:28 AM	#5
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	1. Barliman, Butterbur, who forgot about the message he was supposed to send and so indirectly helped the Nazgul track Frodo 2. Goatleaf, Harry and 3. Ferny, Bill who were suspected by Aragorn of doing work for the Nazgul I also though about Hobbits, but none really helped Sauron I actually had a more or less strange idea It might also be that the Horblowers indirectly helped Sauron. Because of his cultivation of pipe-weed, it spread in the Shire and eventually even Saruman decided to purchase some. The squint-eyed Southerner that was on his way to Isengard to bring the pipe-weed was caught by the Nazgul and revealed precious information about The Shire and Baggins. __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

05-04-2007, 06:47 AM	#7
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Good, good. Only I would except old Barney from it. Simply put: I'm looking for characters, who were evil and/or directly or indirectly served the Enemy. Barney was not evil, it was a mistake. The same on Túrin&co - their intention was not to do evil. Ah, yes, that's probably the best formulation: I'm seeking for three surnames of some who had evil intentions in mind. (and thus, indirectly served the Enemy) __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

05-04-2007, 07:02 AM	#9
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	You should try mentioning that in the beginning... Ok, so you have two... I'd add Baggins, Frodo After he put on the Ring he became ensnared by it and definitely had evil intentions of controlling M-e; this served Sauron as he realised how close to destruction he was. btw, I think Wormtongue is a title not a family name __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

05-03-2007, 10:35 AM	#1
Anáwiel Pile O'Bones Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 11	Correct.