Werewolf XXXII: The Lost Age

[The Saucepan Man]

Typical! Just as I was beginning to think Mac looked suspicious, he turns out to be a known innocent.

Originally Posted by Di

I'm confused as to why someone who voted for Celuien would have lied about it. Only Innocents can vote, right?

No. The Shade can vote, as Aganzir correctly pointed out to me on Day 1.

Originally Posted by Di

So... why is it unlikely that Glirdy voted for Celuien and that's why there is an unaccounted-for vote? That seems to make the most sense, because it doesn't involve an innocent lying for no apparent reason.

Because Glirdy has not spoken a word since we started. I think it unlikely that he has cast a vote.

In any event, the Celuien vote thing reassures me about Eomer, Lommiella and Aganzir. I am, for now, going to work on the basis that they are innocent. And Rikae, Mac and Boro we know to be innocent (unless Rikae is playing a very dangerous game, a possibility which I regard as highly unlikely).

Originally Posted by Mac

Why was my vote for Menel more conveniently placed than SPM's, Nogrod's or Legate's?

It wasn't. Unless the Lynch Seer (if still alive) is able to confirm that the apparent votes for Menel match the actual votes for him, I think it fairly likely that either Nogrod or Legate (though probably not both) is a Vampire.

[Nogrod]

Thanks Mac for your point on Spm's interest in the vote tallies... I had already thought there was something that bothered me in them.

Originally Posted by Spam

As I see it, there are two possibilities. The first is that Eomer is a Vampire and told us that there were five votes for her in attempt to hide the fact that there were only three (as his would not have counted). However, that would require at least one of the stated Day 1 Legate voters also to be lying, since Celuien would have needed to be tied with him at least to have been chosen for death. I regard this situation as unlikely.

I'm not sure if I followed the argument well enough (I'll take a look at it in a minute) but as long as Eomer's chance of being a vampire rests on someone lying about voting Legate then the option is still on as I did lie about my vote to keep the vampires off my real thoughts then.

Now Spm didn't know that I had lied - and thence went on to try and cleanwash his buddy?

And he continued later on the topic:

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

In any event, the Celuien vote thing reassures me about Eomer, Lommiella and Aganzir. I am, for now, going to work on the basis that they are innocent.

Taken together all his discussions on the Celuien-voters looks like drawing a bit too lot of comfort from one quite unsure source of information. And why he keeps coming back to that Day1 voting stuff again and again unless it's something that works for his interests?

Originally Posted by Mac

Besides all this, I think that Rune is being strange.

Agreed. But I always find him hard to read. The only thing we know of him is that he at least wished people to look at him as the shade on Day1. Whether that was a joke of somekind or what, I don't know.

I see no good reason for anyone innocent to act like a shade.

I might see a reason for the shade to make his presence known hoping that both sides would then leave him be (but that's in dark contrast to our shade trying to kill Rikae last Night - although there were basically no chances in him succeeding in it anyhow, so why then even try?)

I might see a reason for one of the vampires to pose as the shade as well but then last Night's action would be quite too reckless from him.

EDIT: X'd with a lot...

[Durelin]

You know, I could see Saucie being the uber shade. I mean, everyone suspects him of being a wolf, vampire, whatever, all the time...but who would suspect him as a stand-alone shade, were-bear. It just seems so vastly different.

And I can see Sauce attempting to off Rikae, taking the risk of catching the Ranger "bluffing" so to speak.

Though I can see a number of people doing that purely out of their sense of humour.

Personally I find it hilarious that anyone would think the Shade would side with anyone, even for a limited period of time.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I might see a reason for one of the vampires to pose as the shade as well but then last Night's action would be quite too reckless from him.

An interesting possibility opened to me as I realised I had miswritten this last part... (and produced a totally stupid idea).

But what if Rune is a vampire posing as a shade and now our real shade who is leaning on our side wishes to expose him by making the shade look our enemy? Remember it was pretty safe trial to kill Rikae as she had been suspected a lot earlier so she very probably was not protected earlier.

It would make sense as - on contrary to Dury's idea - it seems pretty straightforward that the shade has best possibilities to win by aiding the villagers. It's only in the end when switching loyalties might help the shade.