Werewolf XXXII: The Lost Age

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Shasta shook his head. "So both were innocent... As lovely... er... artistic as that chair is, looking at it does nothing for my mental health." He turned away, shuddering.

"Brinniel wasn't mentioned a lot yesterday, was she? I'm going to hold my vote for now, until we've heard any new evidence that might have surfaced during the night."

[Gil-Galad]

No Brinniel wasn't mentioned that much last day, the vampires must be playing it safe... we should look at who was under speculation last day, for one of them might be the vampire and with the brinniel-kill they played it safe...

much to do today... and i've been thinking too hard already...

[Gil-Galad]

Finally Gil got out of the crowd and started searching for Celuien. No sign of her could be found.

i must say my apologies to Cel for this part, i hope i didn't make you blush...


OOC: its probably just chance my name was put there, but why was i (a male) the one to searh cel (a female)?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

"Well, I'm not exactly sure how this will help, but if I recall correctly, the people under suspicion were Rikae, Gil-Galad, Esspiem, and to a lesser extent, Meneltarmacil, Nogrod, and Sixth. Of course, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong!" Shasta caroled, running off to find something to eat. Maybe there was some preserved food in the kitchen of the big house, as he'd taken to calling it.

[Gil-Galad]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

"Well, I'm not exactly sure how this will help, but if I recall correctly, the people under suspicion were Rikae, Gil-Galad, Esspiem, and to a lesser extent, Meneltarmacil, Nogrod, and Sixth. Of course, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong!" Shasta caroled, running off to find something to eat. Maybe there was some preserved food in the kitchen of the big house, as he'd taken to calling it.

i remember only being under suspicion of Rikae, but that quieted down after Esspiem decided to talk about rikae more... and Legate has been receiving suspicion too...

but besides that peoples suspicion were not as cornered as you put it Shasta, as the days go by, it will be narrowed down.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Well, yesterday's events were a lot more unhellpful than they could have been? Why were votes not made public?

But, er, I mean, isn't all this fear and trepidation frightfully wondrous?

A dark mind, I may have (my parents certainly thought as much), but I can still be an asset to this village.

I was the lynch seer.

I couldn't actually figure out the riddle I received last night, but I felt confident enough that it was Celuien, because the person to be killed received 5 votes; and I already saw that Celuien had 4 public votes, more than anyone else.

I chose not to post the riddle because, obviously, I suspected Celuien of being a wolf. Waking to find her innocent, I see that any kill she would have made would have been in good faith. My apologies, to you Celuien.

So: any thoughts?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Wolf? Er...vampire.

What's a wolf anyway...

[The Saucepan Man]

First, at the risk of being accused of being overly defensive ( ), a few points in response to some of the comments made about me yesterDay.

It was said (primarily by Rikae and Nogrod) that my opening words (about the less developed characters always being the ones to be picked off first) came across as defensive and Nogrod also commented on my reference to my sharp wits. I can, however, assure you that those opening words of mine were almost entirely fluff - an attempt at humour (based on horror film cliché) and in-character banter based on my stated character traits.

I was also accused of being overly defensive in my response to Rikae’s suspicion of me. This concerns post #17 in which, knowing that I would not have an opportunity to post much more of substance before the end of the Day, I summarised my thoughts on those who had spoken thus far, based on what they had said. Since Rikae had done little other than accuse me for my opening words at that stage, there was little else to say about her other than in connection with that.

Now, my vote for Kitanna. Unfortunately, as I had anticipated, I returned from searching this place less than an hour before sundown. I reviewed the Day’s events as best I could, but only had time to skim read much of it. When I read them, Kitanna’s confused words concerning the possibility of Vampire Gifteds being able to vote struck me immediately as suspicious. She was either genuinely confused or else a Vampire bluffing so as to give the impression that she couldn’t possibly be a Vampire. Since Kitanna generally knows what’s what and her ancestors have had much experience of Werewolves and the like, the latter struck me as a distinct possibility. I did see that these words of hers generated much debate and actually led the village to be more distrustful of those who accused her on this basis than Kitanna herself. I nevertheless thought it the most suspicious thing that I had seen and so cast my vote for her. I still regard her as a possible fanged wee beastie.

However, when I reviewed the Day’s events in more detail later a few things struck me about Rikae. My original impression was that her behaviour was far too attention grabbing to be Vampiric. However, some points of detail gave me cause to reconsider.

First, her denial of having accused anyone on the basis of in-character banter was in my view somewhat misleading. Not, as Nogrod thought, because of her playful “accusation” of Mac, but because she had expressed suspicion of me based on my opening banter.

Secondly, and of greater concern to me, is her involvement in the Kitanna affair. When Eomer laid his apparent trap with his accusation of Kitanna, she said:

Originally Posted by Rikae

I think Eomer has a good point about Kitanna. I can't quite believe she would honestly make the mistake of thinking the gifteds were on the vampires' side. I would be interested in hearing more from her.

This brought her under suspicion for having jumped on Eomer’s unspecified accusation (and thereby fallen into his trap). In response to that suspicion, she said:

Originally Posted by Rikae

I should have said Celuien had a good point.

Yet Celuien only picked up on the Kitanna thing after Rikae had already done so. So how could Rikae have been responding to Celuien’s point when Celuien had not even made her point at that stage? Now, Rikae would have known that it was not Celuien’s contribution that prompted her accusation of Kitanna and, if innocent, would surely not have lied about this. It looks to me distinctly like a Vampiric slip.

But can both Kitanna and Rikae be Vampires? Would Rikae have jumped so enthusiastically on an acccusation of a fellow Vampire? I do not discount the possibility, especially as Rikae “laid her cards on the table” shortly thereafter and said that she was leaning towards giving Kitanna the benefit of the doubt. I am, however, currently more concerned about Rikae than Kitanna.

Finally, in this lengthy discourse, some comments on the “voting”. The stated votes were as follows:

Celuien: Kitanna (Kitanna 1)
Menel: Rikae (Kitanna 1, Rikae 1)
Sixth: Gil (Kitanna 1, Rikae 1, Gil 1)
Gil: Rikae (Kitanna 1, Rikae 2, Gil 1)
Legate: Sixth (Kitanna 1, Rikae 2, Gil 1, Sixth 1)
Rune: Menel (Kitanna 1, Rikae 2, Gil 1, Sixth 1, Menel 1)
Rikae: Menel (Kitanna 1, Rikae 2, Gil 1, Sixth 1, Menel 2)
Boro: Legate (Kitanna 1, Rikae 2, Gil 1, Sixth 1, Menel 2, Legate 1)
Lomiella: Celuien (Kitanna 1, Rikae 2, Gil 1, Sixth 1, Menel 2, Legate 1, Celuien 1)
Eomer: Celuien (Kitanna 1, Rikae 2, Gil 1, Sixth 1, Menel 2, Legate 1, Celuien 2)
Roa: Celuien (Kitanna 1, Rikae 2, Gil 1, Sixth 1, Menel 2, Legate 1, Celuien 3)
Aganzir: Celuien (Kitanna 1, Rikae 2, Gil 1, Sixth 1, Menel 2, Legate 1, Celuien 4)
Brinniel: Rikae (Kitanna 1, Rikae 3, Gil 1, Sixth 1, Menel 2, Legate 1, Celuien 4)
Nogrod: Legate (Kitanna 1, Rikae 3, Gil 1, Sixth 1, Menel 2, Legate 2, Celuien 4)
SPM: Kitanna (Kitanna 2, Rikae 3, Gil 1, Sixth 1, Menel 2, Legate 2, Celuien 4)

No vote stated: Xyzzy, Mac, Di, Shasta, Kitanna, Sleepy, Durelin, Glirdy

At least four of those who stated no vote are innocent. I would therefore ask all of those who did not state a vote here yesterDay to state now whether they submitted a vote to the Oracle or not and, if so, what it was (it would have been helpful to do this before Eomer revealed the number of votes actually cast for Celuien, but you can’t have everything ). I would also ask those who expressed no view on the proposal to state votes here (Xyzzy, Shasta, Sleepy, Durelin and Glirdy) to say now whether they support it or not and to confirm that they will state their votes here in the future. And, as for those who opposed the idea (Di and Kitanna), I would ask them to explain how on earth they consider it to be in the village’s interests not to state their votes.

Now, some thoughts on the “voting”. Given that (assuming that the Lynch Seer survives the Night and is innocent) the number of votes cast for the lynchee will be known, I would expect Vampires to avoid “voting” for someone who looks likely to be lynched. This, to my mind, speaks in favour of those who “voted” for Celuien, since she looked quite likely to be lynched even before the “votes” for her were posted, namely Lomiella, Eomer, Roa and Aganzir. It also speaks slightly in favour of those who “voted” for Rikae at a time when it looked quite possible that she might be lynched, namely Gil (and Brinniel, but she’s now dead). It is also fair to say that Rikae’s “vote” for Menel, putting him equal with her on two “votes”, might be regarded as risky for a Vampire, though my current suspicion of her outweighs this.

The most suspicious “votes” (other than the “no votes”) are surely those cast for people who looked very unlikely to be lynched at the time that they were “cast”, namely those stated by Legate, Nogrod and (erm) me.

I’m off to consider the significance of last Night's events. More shortly.

[Macalaure]

Even though I missed the deadline to state it, I did manage to vote.

I voted for Legate.

[Sleepy Ranger]

I had voted for Rune, it was a vote made at complete random mainly due to my inability to be on the computer much that day. Anyway, now that the weekend is here (mind you, my weekends are Friday and Saturday) I'll have time. Anyway, I'm off to go over all said and done. Post back in a bit.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Point taken SPM. However, I do think it unlikely that a vampire will claim to have voted privately for Celuien. If there's a lie then the person who truly did vote for her will jump right up and the village has a vampire in the bag. So it is difficult to fully trust one of these private voters but surely the risk of lying here is very great.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

hmmm I suppose I should join the rest of you in pointing out that Brinn probably was chosen because she had little chance to be online yesterday. . .Too bad she was killed before she got a chance to participate.

anyways I have a sugestion for a small debate we could have if we run out of fun subjects. . . We could talk about The Lynch Seer and what our individuel thoughts on a good stradegy is!

Now I must disapear out of sight once more and leave the fighting and arguing to the rest of you for a while, enjoy!

[Meneltarmacil]

Well, I'm probably not going to be posting for a large chunk of the Day, so I might as well say something here.

Rikae is still my primary suspect.

Celuien's death was probably due to Vampirish influence. Even though the Vampires can't vote, they probably contributed to the lynching. All four vote declarations for Celuien occurred in rapid succession, which seems quite odd to me. As I read through the discussion of Celuien, I find Boromir88 to present a suspicious look. For the most part, Celuien's vote decision seemed to grow out of an understandable controversy over Kitanna, but Boromir88 quietly started to point at Celuien's vote to suggest that the latter was a Vampire. Eomer of the Rohirrim also seems to have suggested that Celuien may be up to something while at the same time suspecting Kitanna of being a vampire. So I'll be looking at both of them.

In any case, my suspects are Rikae, Boromir88, and [B]Eomer of the Rohirrim at this point.

[Thinlómien]

Lomiella enters, her big eyes wet with tears. "Cel and Brinn are dead...?" she sobs and searches her pockets for a handkerchief. "Oh, I always was too emotional", she says, drying her face. "Now we must be rational and start discussing. I gues it's no use moruning the dead since those horrid beasts are still among us." She casts a wary glance around the cave.

Yesterday was a sort of fiasco. The village can only win if the villagers co-operate and that certainly did not happen yesterDay. Please people, tell me what was wrong with Sauce's plan?

Anyway, I've decided to quickly check through Brinn's posts. Results here soon.

edit: xed with the second posts of both Shasta and Gil

[Boromir88]

the people under suspicion were Rikae, Gil-Galad, Esspiem, and to a lesser extent, Meneltarmacil, Nogrod, and Sixth.~Shastanis

I find this quite odd...considering it's a bit off.

Where is Kitanna in that list? She was one of the people who was most suspected. And why is Esspiem in that top list? Sure, some found his defense a bit too overly-defensive, but no one was acting as if they were prepared to vote for him. What about Legate as well? Besides myself I saw some people rumbling about Legate's 'awkwardness.' You will see myself, Nogrod, Mac, Roa, and Brinniel all to some degree express worry about Legate.

I find this odd, because it is rather skewed as far as what happened yesterday. Are you coming in here in the morning and trying to direct who gets under suspicion today? Or did you not carefully read what took place yesterday?

Edit: x-ed with Gil and Eomer

[Gil-Galad]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I find this quite odd...considering it's a bit off.

Where is Kitanna in that list? She was one of the people who was most suspected. And why is Esspiem in that top list? Sure, some found his defense a bit too overly-defensive, but no one was acting as if they were prepared to vote for him. What about Legate as well? Besides myself I saw some people rumbling about Legate's 'awkwardness.' You will see myself, Nogrod, Mac, Roa, and Brinniel all to some degree express worry about Legate.

I find this odd, because it is rather skewed as far as what happened yesterday. Are you coming in here in the morning and trying to direct who gets under suspicion today? Or did you not carefully read what took place yesterday?

Edit: x-ed with Gil and Eomer

exactly what i partially said in my previous post... so i say that Shasta's list not be followed because of its un-truthful-ness (i'm totally lost for words...)

[Aganzir]

I don't have much time now, as I'm at my friend's place, and this will be my only post for at least some hours. I will speak shortly.

Originally Posted by Eomer

I couldn't actually figure out the riddle I received last night, but I felt confident enough that it was Celuien, because the person to be killed received 5 votes; and I already saw that Celuien had 4 public votes, more than anyone else.

This leaves us with the question who is the fifth person (or the fourth and the fifth, in case one of us who voted for Celuien in public was a Vampire - yet at the moment I'm not inclined to think this would be probable.). However, I don't think how clever it would be if the fifth person(s) came out from the closet and said "hi, it's me, I voted for Celuien", as this would be quite an easy way for a Vampire to make him/herself seem innocent.
It would make things much easier if all were ready to tell their votes in public.

I don't have the time now, but when I'll be back, I will go through the thread and check if anyone else than us (who voted for Celuien) would have been seemingly ready to vote for her; if anyone hasn't already done that before I come back.