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Legate of Amon Lanc · 04-15-2007, 02:11 PM

Really nice attempt, though I sadly have to disappoint you, it is not Arda. But good attempt, keep trying.

Gil-Galad · 04-15-2007, 04:41 PM

Illuvatar comes to my mind but knowing you legate it is never the obvious anwser...

For so long time I'm here - been here forever
though not from start of times.
In greatest treachery - Morgoths "betrayal"
I at first took my part. - talked with Morgoth

I saw how Darkness comes, - melkor's anger
I saw how it departs. - melkor being chained
I saw how it returns, - melkor took the silmarils
I saw the death of stars, - mean alot of things
I saw corrupted hearts. - men and elves doing cruel things

Once They will come to me - gods wil lcome
to undo treachery - solve it all
at that day, it all ends
I'll die by my own hands. - the song will be finished

Legate of Amon Lanc · 04-16-2007, 12:53 AM

Ilúvatar? No, no... you would say that he was not there "from start of times"? Also he didn't take part in Morgoth's treachery (he couldn't obviously, since the treachery was against him). And finally, I don't think Ilúvatar will "die by his own hands". The subject is still the same during all the riddle.
I suggest you all to try something "smaller" for a change

Rune Son of Bjarne · 04-16-2007, 07:55 AM

Is it Sauron then?

It would sertainly explain "die by my own hands" as he forged the one ring and when it is destroyed he dies. . . maybe a strech, but I think it works.

He has been around for a long while
He has supported Morgoth, but not from the begining.

The treachery could also be when the Numenorians attack aman. . .and Sauron did his part there as werll. . .that would add perfectly up when they come to undo treachery.

The Might · 04-16-2007, 10:00 AM

I would say the Moon

For so long time I'm here - since the beginning of the First Age
though not from start of times. - of course
In greatest treachery
I at first took my part. - the first rising of the Moon marked the Return of the Noldor to Middle-earth

I saw how Darkness comes,
I saw how it departs.
I saw how it returns,
I saw the death of stars,
I saw corrupted hearts. - not hard to see everything from up there

Once They will come to me
to undo treachery - Melkor will destroy the Moon and the Sun before the Dagor Dagorath
at that day, it all ends
I'll die by my own hands. - not so sure about this

Legate of Amon Lanc · 04-16-2007, 10:20 AM

Very good attempts, especially Rune's. Sauron it could be, except for one problem - he surely was there even "at the start of times".

And the Moon... I wouldn't be so sure if rising at the moment of the coming of Noldor should be considered as taking part in their treachery, as well as if undoing the treachery would have any effect on the Moon...

So, keep trying. Though with some thoughts you were pretty close.

Rune Son of Bjarne · 04-16-2007, 10:27 AM

Now I want to say Gollum, but I cannot make it fit and I have no time as I have to be at work in 30min. . .

I must look it over when I get home again, hopefully it will bit have been guessed by then.

04-15-2007, 02:11 PM	#1
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Really nice attempt, though I sadly have to disappoint you, it is not Arda. But good attempt, keep trying. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

04-15-2007, 04:41 PM	#2
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	Illuvatar comes to my mind but knowing you legate it is never the obvious anwser... For so long time I'm here - been here forever though not from start of times. In greatest treachery - Morgoths "betrayal" I at first took my part. - talked with Morgoth I saw how Darkness comes, - melkor's anger I saw how it departs. - melkor being chained I saw how it returns, - melkor took the silmarils I saw the death of stars, - mean alot of things I saw corrupted hearts. - men and elves doing cruel things Once They will come to me - gods wil lcome to undo treachery - solve it all at that day, it all ends I'll die by my own hands. - the song will be finished __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

04-16-2007, 12:53 AM	#3
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Ilúvatar? No, no... you would say that he was not there "from start of times"? Also he didn't take part in Morgoth's treachery (he couldn't obviously, since the treachery was against him). And finally, I don't think Ilúvatar will "die by his own hands". The subject is still the same during all the riddle. I suggest you all to try something "smaller" for a change __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

04-16-2007, 10:00 AM	#5
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	I would say the Moon For so long time I'm here - since the beginning of the First Age though not from start of times. - of course In greatest treachery I at first took my part. - the first rising of the Moon marked the Return of the Noldor to Middle-earth I saw how Darkness comes, I saw how it departs. I saw how it returns, I saw the death of stars, I saw corrupted hearts. - not hard to see everything from up there Once They will come to me to undo treachery - Melkor will destroy the Moon and the Sun before the Dagor Dagorath at that day, it all ends I'll die by my own hands. - not so sure about this __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

04-16-2007, 10:20 AM	#6
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Very good attempts, especially Rune's. Sauron it could be, except for one problem - he surely was there even "at the start of times". And the Moon... I wouldn't be so sure if rising at the moment of the coming of Noldor should be considered as taking part in their treachery, as well as if undoing the treachery would have any effect on the Moon... So, keep trying. Though with some thoughts you were pretty close. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories