Lord Melkor Rightful Master of the Fates of Arda

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Davem: You answered yourself in your post Whatever Eru would create, if it had free will, it could've rebelled, so the only other option was not to create anything at all. Only to what you say about the possibility of him having to act, we don't know, but I think it is not logical, since it makes Eru a not-free being (contradiction with that he's omnipotent).

Originally Posted by narfforc

or will they suffer the fate of their Master who twisted them into hateful beings that had little or no control over their creation or fate, for are they not also victims. In bodily form an elf may return, what form would an orc be if allowed to return for the Second Music.

Well, that depends. I don't know if there is anywhere stated what would happen to Orcs&co. at the End of Arda. Also, if you are speaking only of appearance here, I think we don't know anything from Tolkien's works about if the Children will have any bodily form any longer, or at least, they would obviously not have the same they had in life (since that one might be burned, quartered or whatever). So the difference between an Elf (or Man)& an Orc would be only in their "spirit", if you like. I don't know much about this "Arda renewal" stuff - better ask someone else - but if there would be a "new" Arda, I might think that it would be up to the Children what form they'd choose to take. But I'm only speculating, this is a mystery for me as much as for you. The only thing for sure is probably that the form will be "good".

Oh, and I would like to point one funny thing I noticed. Please see what the thread came to now, and look at the first words of the opening post of the thread:

Originally Posted by Neithan Tol Turambar

I would like to start a thread to glorify Lord Melkor...

And now, please, compare what you saw here, with this:

Originally Posted by Eru Ilúvatar

And thou, Melkor, shalt see that no theme may be played that hath not its uttermost source in me, nor can any alter the music in my despite. For he that attempteth this shall prove but mine instrument in the devising of things more wonderful, which he himself hath not imagined.