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Shade of Carn Dûm
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: The Shire (Staffordshire), United Kingdom
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When I was three years old and frightened by thunder, my father told me that noise was made by giants playing skittles in the clouds. He wasn't trying to teach me a truth in metaphorical form, he was making a joke to ease my fears. I'll take Gandalf's comments on giants in The Hobbit in the same way. . |
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Soul of Fire
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: City of Steel
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I always thought of their mention as metaphorical. When the Dwarves, Gandalf and Bilbo are on the mountain path in the storm Thorin (I think) mentions that he doesn't want to be picked up by a giant and kicked like a football. Perhaps they were once real creatures and by the time of the Hobbit were mythological and used in reference to such situations when there were avalanches in the mountains.
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A Voice That Gainsayeth
Join Date: Nov 2006
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I always thought of their mention as real. When the Dwarves, Gandalf and Bilbo are on the mountain path in the storm, Thorin indeed mentions that he doesn't want to be picked up by a giant and kicked like a football. But few sentences before Bilbo takes a peek out of their shelter and sees the giants throwing stones, and they all hear them laughing*.
But I don't believe they were on Caradhras (as I said before). *If some of you read On Fairy-stories, it might also be of some concern what Tolkien says about Thor...
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Guard of the Citadel
Join Date: Dec 2006
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Giants existed, and that's more then clear.
In "The Hobbit", talking about Beorn's origin, Gandalf clearly says he heard him swear he would take revenge and return into the mountains, further speculationg he was perhaps a descendant of the olf bears living in that area before the giants came. I doubt he means, before the avalanches or landslides or whatever started. Also, Gandalf thinks about asking one of the nicer giants to help him and block the entrance to the tunnel leading to Goblin Town with a stone. Clearly, they are not metaphores for anything. They are however predecessors of the Ents in Tolkien's writings and this can be easily noticed by looking at this change from The Hobbit to LotR. Selmo, as far as your post is concerned, I think I must disagree. I doubt the woses were trying to make a joke with that. This description of Numenoreans as stone-eaters is clearly made out of awe, wonder and perhaps respect for the way they learned to use the stone to build their cities.
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Eagle of the Star
Join Date: Jan 2006
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Hammond and Scull, in their comments on "The passing of the grey company", quote an explanation of the name Tarlang's Neck:
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But this does not change the fact the Giants, as TM said, do not seem to be much of a metaphore. Quote:
Even if not, I find Gandalf's talk about "finding a decent giant to close the door", as TM pointed, quite good sign of the true existence of giants. Where Gandalf might or might not have joked about it (did he really want to go and persuade a giant to do it?), he certainly wouldn't speak of going to something that does not exist.
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